Would you accept a ‘hump’ in the next Xperia flagship to accommodate a larger camera sensor?

by XB on 22nd July 2014

in Imaging


1020and808The Nokia 808 PureView and Lumia 1020 smartphones remain two the best camera phones to date. Nokia has always had a strong pedigree on the camera smartphone front, but they really upped the ante when they released the 808 PureView with its 1/1.2-inch sensor. To this day, it remains one of the largest sensors found in a smartphone. The spiritual follow-up to the 808 was the Lumia 1020, but this ‘only’ had a 2/3-inch sensor.

One of the downsides of sporting such large sensors is having to accommodate it in a smartphone body that manufacturers are trying to drive ever thinner. The compromise is a hump where the optics sit, both the 808 PureView and Lumia 1020 have a hump on their backs.

The recent rumours around Sony’s new 2/3-inch curved sensor got us wondering how Sony would make space for the chip. Sony already uses a 1/2.3-inch sensor in the Xperia Z2, whose body is only 8.2mm in thickness. So maybe, Sony could find a way to include such a chip without compromising on the design. However, a hump still would remain a possibility.

What we wanted to ask you is would a hump on a future Xperia smartphone bother you? Would you rather Sony did all it could do on the imaging side and thus sacrificing design? Or does in fact the design mean more to you then a spec bump on the camera side? We’d love to know where you stand on this in the comments below.

  • techielover

    I prefer sony to improve their image processing algorithms that’s it!!

  • jonyah

    No, Probably not.

  • Ambroos

    The new curved sensor module allows for much smaller lenses. The complete module wouldn’t be very different in size from the one in the Z2.

    And no, a hump would look horrible.

  • Ayman F. Herzallah

    I’d rather have a big hump on the back of my phone and have great image quality than to have huge bezels and “stylish” desgins

  • BruceLeeRoyJenkins

    A bigger hump in terms of better handling and athletics. A larger sensor isn’t the problem it’s Sony’s post processing that fucks the pics up

  • Raghavendra Guttal

    i am ok with hump but must have xenon flash and best image quality

  • BruceLeeRoyJenkins

    Design does have a huge part to play, just look at all those people who prefer the M8 over its competitors like the Z2, G3, or S5

  • Mareks Matisons

    No.
    In Short. I have used for testing purposes latest “large” nokia – it feels bulky and not fittting in any of Your pockets.
    Please – Sony – do not do this. Promote QX 10 / 100 better!

  • js200022

    No way, please!!!!! It would make Xperia look like, [gulp], Galaxy.

  • Amir

    A hump wouldn’t bother me as long as the design is highly premium and mature and it also packs a xenon flash.

  • roeshak

    If it was stylishly done. Plus Sony’s use of software stabilisation would ensure the hump isn’t as big as found on the Nokias

  • GeeksEmpire

    No
    if they want phone with special camera or camera with phone features!
    they better to make policy to build phone like Zoom model in Galaxy devices

  • Abdul Ghani
  • lastguru

    No. I still think, they could move things around a little bit. But if they can’t I would rather accept a slightly thicker phone, than a phone with a hump

  • Johan

    If Sony did something like Nokia 41Mpixel I would buy it immediately. Do something like Nokia storytell and the zoom function Nokia have. I’m quiet pleased with my Z1 and I have decided not to buy Nokia 930 waiting for a new 41MP devise.

  • Liam Burke

    They could curve the rear of the phone to mask the hump

  • random

    according to one fo the rumor source(strong one) , he heard this cmos sensor can be used perfectly for devices that have similar thickness to z2 without hump.so expect no hump.

  • Arthur Simon

    I wouldn’t accept that. The sensor is already near perfection. Plus that curved sensor requires simpler lenses, which means a thinner module, right?

    They just have to work on the processing. They can do it with their real cameras. They should be able to do it with mobiles too.

  • joseph carmine nero

    No ugly hump please

  • Wolf0491

    Ewww no I don’t really take pictures much anyway

  • DBS

    No. Just NO.
    I have the Nokia L1020. It’s a great camera, yes. It’s a Nokia, after all. Nothing in the market beats it.
    However it’s my camera. Only. I use it for nothing else.
    You know why? Because of the hump. It’s super uncomfortable to hold.
    The same thing goes for the Nokia L925 with not a hump but an annoying zit. You just can’t help but feel it. (I’m not even mentioning the Nokia L1520 because there’s simply no comfortable way to hold a monstrous 6″ device).

    I rather have thicker devices (I currently have the Nokia L930 which is equivalent to the Z1) with no humps than devices with humps.

    So no, I don’t want Sony to go the same way. Make the device thicker if necessary. It’s a good compromise to have an awesome camera. Also, while you’re at it, Sony…throw in the bloody OIS. Your cameras would improve SO much with it.

  • DBS

    Nokia won’t be producing any more phones until 2016 at least. As for the next 41mp phone, it will come from Microsoft. And currently it’s not certain it will have a successor at all because it’s a niche device and Satya Nadella has changed Microsoft’s direction away from hardware.

    By the way…currently, in low light, the 930 has the same bad software calibration the Z1 had upon launch. The photos come out too grainy and pixelated. Besides, the 930 has the same internals than the Z1. You wouldn’t be upgrading that much. Sure, you’d get Nokia-build quality, but apart from that, nothing else, really.

  • Sunil

    No no no no and no….. I don’t like the hump…

  • Jon Zliver

    No, way .The sleek design is the kind of things that distinguish a Sony

  • aki

    I like if design look like nokia lumia if Xperia need sacrifice the design xD lol Xperia z1 still the best up to date for me even though z2 is already release and now Z3 but seriously Xperia really need to slow they production lol xD

  • Anukul

    I would rather have 8mpix (not less than that) on a 1/2.3 sensor.

  • Freepat 75014

    For sure yes. But most important requirement for me, for the future Xperia that will replace my current beloved Z1, beyond always more battery, will be to have 4K Video recordings up to 60fps with full perf HDMI 1.4 output, and ideally some 3D video and picture that I lost when moving from my previous HTC EVO 3D to Sony Xperia Z1 and my familly loved on our 3D Full HD TV.

  • mohammad

    I think sony should work more with the post processing algorithms. adding OIS and Xenon flash is the next step. curved sensor is also great. But no hump please. Make the device thicker … but no hump.

  • Jacky

    As a former user of the Nokia n8, the camera hump never bothered me at all. Even when I had my phone in my pocket I couldn’t feel much at all.

  • azhy

    You are right sony s mobile in all terms was better than any phone but their fail was just in camera so if they fix it, it will be the top.

  • bnmalmo

    For me – Yes !
    I still have excellent memories from my Sony Ericsson Satio Phone – with True Flash, True Auto Focus and Sliding Lens Cover ! – Even if it was years ago – that 12 mp Camera – especially in poor light conditions, with the True Flash – shot better photos than my Xperia Z does today…. (The OS was complete crap at that time – that’s another story – but the camera was great – and I wouldn’t mind a new Smart Phone model with more focus on the Camera !!)

  • Pineda R.

    Yeah, do not know why they screw up in the processing so much…

  • amr

    Of course it would bother me

  • Makozak

    There’s a difference between Curved Censor and Curved Phone.

    Take a look at first Sony’s curved censor : http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/07/07/first-picture-from-sonys-curved-cmos-sensor/

    Pretty sweet, IMO

  • mustafa

    I’d rather the actual phone be fatter than just the camera

  • ohshiemang

    Yes. Sony did a similar thing with their ZX1, and it still looks beautiful. Also, I really hate this “gotta be slim” fad. The slimmer a phone gets, the harder it’s going to be to hold a phone in one hand. I really wish companies would go back to making smaller, and (a bit) thicker phones. Bring back high-end flip, candybar, and sliding phones please.

  • Ado Kanashii

    ‘hump’ and dumber…??
    No thanks, we ve got already NOKIA for that!

  • Dean Weaver

    Spot on… No hump & less processing.

  • Marius-Cristian Dragan

    No, no hump! I have a Xperia Z and i plan to upgrade this year to Z2 or Z3. Z2 is already the best smartphone in the market right now, Z3 only needs small improvements.
    In the same footprint keep the same 5.2 inch Full Hd Display, but improve sunlight legibility and brightness for white(the white in Z2 isn’t as white in Z1).
    Change camera software and add OIS and Xenon.
    If they also manage to put a bigger battery or reduce the footprint then Z3 is gonna be perfect.

  • Mokhtar Mouhib

    Yes i dont mind and i will buy it for sure, cuz people care about camera

  • gynx

    Sony can put dslr lens on their phones, but if they don’t work on the software it wil be useless. Why would you improve camera sensor when the problem is the software. My sony phone has 20Mpx camera with VGA quality. Where is the quality of old cyber shot?

  • Abdul Ghani

    now there are many brands using sonys 13 and 8 mp sensor example lg oppo xiaomi iphone samsung one plus one and many more so what they do give them good software and get good results pictures now this is an old tech from sony the superior tech is the one we all have on z1 the 20.7 sensor with f1/2.3 so why sony the one who created their own sensors cant deliver better performance vs the other brands who uses sony sensors

    http://www.change.org/petitions/sony-mobile-fix-the-camera-software-sony

  • Joachim Nilsson

    I want the best possible camera in a phone from a company that should know cameras from the inside and out. So yes I’m prepared to sacrifice a little convenience and elegance for functionality in this case. Although I’m pretty sure the designers can find a way to elegantly work around any hump.

  • azzido

    No hump but the device can be thicker.
    Also please consider:
    – Xenon flash combined with led, did you know that flash cannot be used as a flashlight?
    – Automatic slider lens cover!
    – Better zoom
    – Cyber-shot quality

  • arcwindz

    Agreed, thicker and no hump, and you can add bigger battery on top of that

  • John Zakaria

    Can’t wait the z3 to get its camera port

  • xperialover

    yes only when it has at least a carl Zeiss optics build in

  • lux

    I prefer sony to just die already. They have great point and shoots and pro cams, have great audio products but their phones always suffer from these two areas they’re supposed to be great at. Sony name comes from sound eh? That’s just laughable.

  • xperialover

    No-one is keeping you in this forum, if you don’t like it just leave, there are other forums that will makes you interest you please go there.

    If you want stay please write argument that makes sense other ways stop spaming

  • HUSAM

    think about it… LG, Samsung, Oppo, One+1, and a lot of other phones are using Sony sensors (1/3″) and they all have a better picture quality than SONY phones with the same sensor…
    SONY makes great sensors, they need to work in the lens and the processing, that’s it…

  • xperiafan324

    Hell no, Sony has the right direction with as great a camera as can be without compromising looks, and if you want more just buy a qx lens style camera. Stay classy Sony NO HUMPING FOR THE CAMERA ;-).

  • xperiafan324

    Actually Sony’s JPEG processing sucks across the board even on their higher-end prosumer models. But the raw quality is just another story all together, up there with the best. Well with Android L giving native DNG support, hopefully Sony could give users more control over the compression technique.

  • Michael Hofmann

    The lens of the new camera unit from Sony is said to only be 6mm thick according to SAR, and the camera sensor it self probably wouldn’t add much to that, so I think a hump is unlikely perhaps a subtle curve as on the Xperia S/ion from 7 to 8.5mm would be more likely design from sony than an ugly hump.

  • Rene Pedroso

    No

  • Velexas

    No, definitely.

  • Abdul Ghani

    i have xperia z1 now as a daily driver i like it but the main issue is the camera software post processing if sony fixes or removes that horrible post processing then for sure sony will be kings of android devices in camera and the fix should release for all sony phones not just one phone

    http://www.change.org/petitions/sony-mobile-fix-the-camera-software-sony

  • Raj Singh

    I would ‘accept’ it but I would not like it… at all.
    Sidenote: They need to get their sh!t together and refine the processing algorithms.

  • Xperu

    Sapphire Lens like the iPhone 5S then if there’s a hump . No worries den.

  • Dwy Bagus Cahyono

    With new curved sensor, sony told that it need simpler lense, hope it means the camera modul will be slimmer than conventional sensor. Then we’ll find no hump. :)

  • lux

    This is a blog, not a forum. To get info about mobile tech you go through a lot of blogs. And I actually am leaving Sony. See you on the other side.

  • AA

    I was Just going to say that. They seriously need to improve their software instead of going to crazy pixel counts on hardware. It’s in a way deceiving because the outcomes are just not that good.

    And what’s the point of having 23 million megapixels if I cant use it fully in superior auto mode???

  • webusermy

    Just fix your software for the camera and I’ll be more than happy.

  • hantu

    sony already got QX10 & QX100 for smartphone..why need to build another phone with ugly hump at the back?

  • Ivan Mcelderry

    No problem, as long as it remains a beautiful design and the behind stays shiny like other xperia , and beside it a similar design xperia t3, let me remain beautiful impression.

  • scw

    I always prefer carrying a real camera. The phone is only used for convenience so it should stay that way.

  • Ray

    I’ve always fanscinated of an NEX branded phone, allowing us to fit lenses onto phones just like Sony’s NEX range. Sony granted my wish by launching the QX lenses, which are sort of similar to the concept in a way. A hump on the phone? No, just focus on the post processing algorithms and the 20.7MP sensor will churn out very superior images already. Perhaps Sony can consider launching an second flagship variant that has the hump together with the Z3/Z4 that will stick to the conventional slim design. Not everyone would appreciate a big phone or a superb camera, the just want flagship specs in a slim and sexy chassis.

  • RudzLong

    Sony please listen us…
    no thump please, so ugly, if u want add thump just spare to other xperia series, don’t add on Z series
    just focus to your camera software programmer or fire their(possible?:p)…..
    your processing alorithms is so bad sony, so bad, please just focus this first, if this thing done, our xperia is the best & no one can beat us on camera, don’t focus hardware camera 90% n for software camera 10%, please change your focus info software & processing algorithms camera 75% , n hardware camera 25%
    we beg u sony

  • Nguyen Eazy

    hell no!

  • Why superior auto is just 8mp? Because its called oversampling. The superior auto takes a 20.7mp photo and downsamples it to 8mp to make the photo look crisper and brighter. You can say its a technique.

  • Alex Norris

    Oh COMOOON man, you prefer sony image algoritsms than on 808 or 1020…) You’re lying .

  • xperiafan324

    Also for what its worth, both the PureView 808 and the 1020 only produce marginally more detailed shots than the Z2 at full-res, even then Z2 beats them on per-pixel detail. NO HUMPS AT ALL SONY!PLEASE

  • Alex Norris

    Let will be slight thickening is in the camera. On the contrary, the smartphone will look more cool. I wanna see GREAT quality photos!

  • Hardware & Software

    Image processing algorithms can only go so far….

    Once again it’s the hardware and software thing. Where Hardware can only perform at its best only if it has an optimised software. But software can only go so far on a inferior hardware.

  • ashketchum

    I have no problem with sonys camera

  • zam

    true shit ~

  • itachi 11

    right. me to I hope if to do that.

  • metcarded

    camera humps are so 2007. I had no problems with it on my K700 but will not put up with one in 2014.

  • Peter

    How about NO?

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  • Mark Finney

    No bump but the phone body could be wedge shaped. Thicker at the camera end and tapered to a thinner end. That would also slightly angle the screen towards you when you put the phone on a level surface, which would help screen contrast.

  • Guess That Guesses The Guest

    If only Sony Mobile Camera could get help from Sony’ Main Camera section, that would be great

  • bista

    I’ve had Z2 since the release of the phone and personally i feel the phone shouldn’t be any thinner, maybe even a bit thicker. I wouldn’t want it to have a “Hump”, but a curved back cover (like M8) wouldn’t really hurt any one so it would fit your hand better and that pretty much would replace the ugly hump. Besides that way they could fit a bigger battery inside, too (or a better cooling system? ;)). Z2 is slippery and a bit too big for a normal hand.

  • Agostinho Teixeira

    Just return with Xenon Flash and CyberShot technology! I really miss my C905, it was my best camera phone ever!

  • Jaywalker

    Nope.

  • Rikimaru

    No doub Sony will improve hardware and software they promised focus on Xperia but they cannot do that in 6 months. We just need be a little bit more patient. Z camera is already very nice. no perfect but truly nice. If the smartphone bring us perfect camera, how sony will do for sell cybershot or Nex ?

  • jonyah

    go away. You should be happy to have options. If you’d rather not have options, go get an iphone.

  • jonny

    i dont mind!!

  • Adrian969

    I would prefer a phone that is as think as the hump would be and use that space for a big battery.

  • P9

    and if there’re 2 versions, gonna best^^

  • Guest

    Hahaha… Very fun issues now in Xperiablog. When it comes to the camera topic, those comments will instantly switch into “#Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm”, and I can consider this place could change its name into “Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm Blog”
    In fact, for the time now for Xperia Z2, is the image quality that deficient as people mentioned? May be not now. Just check out the picture below. (Thanks @Faisal Armand for the picture! :) A real-life experience from Xperia Z2 user.

  • Guest

    Hahaha… Very fun issues now in Xperiablog. When it comes to the camera topic, those comments will instantly switch into “#Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm”, and I can consider this place could change its name into “Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm Blog”
    In fact, for the time now for Xperia Z2, is the image quality that deficient as people mentioned? May be not now. Just check out the picture below. (Thanks @Faisal Armand for the picture! :) A real-life experience from Xperia Z2 user

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  • Guest

    Hahaha… Very fun issues now in Xperiablog. When it comes to the camera topic, those comments will instantly switch into “#Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm”, and I can consider this place could change its name into “Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm Blog”
    In fact, for the time now for Xperia Z2, is the image quality that deficient as people mentioned? May be not now. Just check out the picture below. (Thanks @Faisal Armand for the picture! :) A real-life experience from Xperia Z2 user..

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  • Guest

    Hahaha… Very fun issues now in Xperiablog. When it comes to the camera topic, those comments will instantly switch into “#Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm”, and I can consider this place could change its name into “Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm Blog”
    In fact, for the time now for Xperia Z2, is the image quality that deficient as people mentioned? May be not now. Just check out the picture below. (Thanks @Faisal Armand for the picture! :) A real-life experience from Xperia Z2 user…

  • Siberian Messenger

    Hahaha… Very fun issues now in Xperiablog. When it comes to the camera topic, those comments will instantly switch into “#Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm”, and I can consider this place could change its name into “Beg Sony to improve software and algorithm Blog”
    In fact, for the time now for Xperia Z2, is the image quality that deficient as people mentioned? May be not now. Just check out the picture below. (Thanks @Faisal Armand for the picture! :) A real-life experience from Xperia Z2 user….

  • aldopucci

    NO SONY PLEASE DON’T! IT’S 2014 AND NOT 2007!

  • Battal Aljadei
  • No hump, thx.

  • Damo Conti

    Have you noticed when the camera shows you the preview it looks good then the processing happens and it goes to the shit.easy fix for hump put bigger battery so hump not there I’m sure a little bit thicker because of a shithot camera and battery like 4000-5000mah would be perfect. Z4 can happily be as thick as z if that means perfect camera and decent battery

  • mclarenfan1968

    XDA has not managed anything on this front?

  • Will S.

    Not on a flagship, but a new phone line that specifically design to compete with Lumia 1020 & Galaxy K.

  • +1020

  • Nowfal oo

    We want best quality camera so hump doesn’t matter

  • Brian Haugen

    Yes. I’m late on this, but I’m one of the people where the camera is important to me. People can talk about algorithms as if they’ll solve all the issues. Why not improve both the hardware and the software to be as good as possible?

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