So why did Sony change the name of the Xperia Z4 to Xperia Z3 Plus?

by XB on 27th May 2015

in Xperia Z4 and Z3+ series

Xperia Z3 PlusIt would have been quite a big deal for Sony to market the Xperia Z3+ as the Z4 outside Japan. The single-digit move from Z3 to Z4 should suggest a tangible upgrade over the previous flagship. Given the near identical design, Sony sensibly decided to stick with a name that tied the Z3+ as a premium offering for the Z3 series.

When Sony was working on the Z3+ there is no doubt it was intended to be the next true flagship device. The internal codename for the device “i1-iv” suggests as much i.e. this is the fourth iteration from Sony’s ‘One Sony’ philosophy that started with the Xperia Z1 (i1). However, a lot can happen between the drawing board and getting a product to market, especially against strong competitor offerings, hence the more modest “Z3+” tag.

Interestingly, Sony felt that the Japanese market is not so synchronised with the global market in this regard. The Japanese carriers view of the Xperia Z4/Z3+ was that it offered a substantial upgrade over the Z3. Upgrades include a new Snapdragon 810 chipset, capless USB port, faster LTE support all wrapped up in a lighter, smaller offering.

Therefore, Sony Japan decided to market it as the Xperia Z4. Obviously this could confuse what happens in the next flagship release after this one. However, Sony confirmed that the next flagship model will not use the ‘Z4’ tag. Logically, if Sony were to release a ‘true’ flagship successor in the second half of this year, there is a strong chance it would be named the Xperia Z5. Or Sony may move away from the Xperia Z series naming altogether, time will tell.

Sony Mobile statement on Xperia Z4/Z3+ name change

“The main reason for the name difference here (UK) is down to Sony being such a dominant force in the Japanese market [where] consumers crave flagship devices with the latest features as soon as they can be delivered. Xperia Z3 continues to perform well as our flagship device across the rest of the world. To address those customers that would like to have the very latest features and refinements, we have introduced Xperia Z3+ as a premium addition to our existing flagship Z3 series.”

Via ePrice and The Inquirer.

Thanks Ben!

  • “in the Japanese market [where] consumers crave flagship devices with the latest features as soon as they can be delivered”

    The rest of the world is okay to patiently wait for months for updates…

  • Killian Khoo

    Shut up and flash other region then you can get your update.
    Flashing your device wont void your warranty, but for more safe purpose, backup your original device rom.

  • Timel

    Because Sony know that all the Z3+ had doesn’t deserve to be Z4.

    Z3+ named make me feel like this new phone is just a little big change from the Z3

  • Christian Juul Anthonsen

    Agree with you. There is not much of an upgrade from the z3!

  • Faisal Armand

    What I think is.. Xperia Z3+ doesn’t have what it takes to compete against the likes of LG G4 and Galaxy S6 Edge.

    The only change is the SD 810 which overheats and unstable So it isn’t really an upgrade and Look at the rest! The same old 20.7MP camera with bad auto mode, and without OIS, advanced focusing system, and full manual controls. And sony actually wait for “high demand” to bring RAW and full controls. WTF Sony, look at LG & HTC! They don’t have a camera department but they bring full options that all types of consumers can enjoy! Shame on you!

    Design is still beautiful as always but it is a little dated now. We need something new, perhaps a hybrid of arc, NXT, and omnibalance design

    I doubt that sony can bring great battery endurance with SD810

    I am waiting for 2016 or what Xperia Z5 has in store. Coming from an already excellent Z2, I am 100% sure that I won’t change to Z3+

  • I didn’t pay so much money to sit and flash my device.

  • Dr Who

    Because Z4 is the flagship we deserves, but not the one we need right now

  • Timel

    So when?
    Sony is running out of time

    and the Lastest news said that Sony is no longer the top ten smartphone makers anymore.

  • Why do you care?

  • Dominik Fürst

    Because noone can see any difference between xz3 and the new one

  • Bruno

    If it was like that, the z3 should be called Z2+

  • Timel

    that’s so stupid, shitty manufacturer like LG can sell their phones more than Sony like 10 times

    Sony Mobile sucks, but LG is much worse

  • iosvsios

    No you should up, this isn’t about software updates but an update to the line, aka a new device…

  • Vuyo Ncube

    Fair enough. Sony Mobile realised it’s not a big enough change over the Z3 so it might as well be the “premium special edition Z3” for those who can afford it. I was hoping for something more reasonable like “IMX230 sensor yields aren’t high enough” or “we’re planning on a curved sensor but we need more time” or “Qualcomm paid us to sell their rushed crappy SD810” or “looking into different display technologies like OLED or CLED, need more time”. As long as it’s the only Sony flagship for the year, the SD810’s image processing muscle and software can clean up image quality and autofocus, the battery life is at least as good as the Z3, the colour reproduction is more accurate than before, and it undercuts the next iPhones, that’s fine by me. I remember the CEO wanted to place higher emphasis on software for this year.

  • Killian Khoo

    Even you use official software update application, PC Companion,
    It work also like flash ROM.

  • SopNaw

    Anyway.. It seems that the Z3 (3100mAh) is better than the Z3+ in terms of battery for only 170mAh of difference.. :(

    Even if we need to not forget that the Z3+ have officially the quick charging 2.0 by Sony, thats a little bad thing for some less mAh..

  • Akand

    So this is not the 2015 flagship!! Finally we’re going to have the true one at IFA, Berlin. Eagerly waiting for the time…. :-D

  • Marios

    During sonyericsson era number 4 was unlucky. Thats why they never used it. At least thus is how i remember.

  • valentino

    well it is targeted for a user who want an octacore processor.
    2015 bro.. it’s the year of octacores!!..
    quadcore is obsolete..

  • valentino

    4 and 13 bad luck number.

  • SopNaw

    Yeah but not really for me… The Z2 is more with the Z1 in terms of design and the Z3 is more with the Z4 (which is the Z3+).

  • mountain

    “we have introduced Xperia Z3+ as a premium addition to our existing flagship Z3 series.” So this phone is targeted to existing Z3 customers? I am using a Z3 dual now, and seriouly considering upgrading to Z3+ dual, because sony didn’t freaking release a green version for dual!

  • Sony may feel the Japanese market is not so synchronized with the global market but the media is and naming all these phone different names across regions is confusing as hell to consumers.

  • Timel


  • Bennder

    Sony said earlier that z4 bring significant changes in design over z3 and few days ago they post this picture. Then is this z4 or what?

  • Bruno

    4 is a bad number to the japs, cuse its very close word to death

  • SopNaw

    I looove the Z3+ Anyway!!

  • Sen. Rockie

    Why the sudden hate on LG? I’ve owned Xperia devices before (X10, Acro S) and yes they were great devices. Although Sony was pretty was slow with rolling up their firmware updates. Now I own an LG device (G3) and I gotta say, it’s a good phone! LG is different now dude, they stepped up their game and they are doing a great job with their phones, especially with the new G4 flagship. LG is one of the first manufacturers to bring Lollipop to a flagship device last year (G3).

  • Abdullah Mohamed

    -The front cam seems too small for a 5or8 mp camera !
    – head phone jack on right side ? No please NO !
    – the metal frame looks cool , but the glass may break easily this way

  • Timel

    Maybe your right that’s why LG can sell their phones more than Sony 100 times

    I’m So sad about Sony
    Now Sony is no longer in top ten smartphone makers anymore

    What goes around comes around
    No one want smartphone which packed with worst camera

  • Snorky112

    this is z3 tablet compact…

  • Snorky112

    its z3 tablet compact

  • Timel

    That looks very cheap and ugly

  • SopNaw

    Like your comments in the majority of the time.

  • Timel

    It’s not true?

  • Mathias Cronqvist

    So stand and flash then.

  • Timel
  • Uqix

    I think Sony originally did want to launch the device as Xperia Z4 globally. But when they saw Samsung releases the S6 with full metal body, they changed mind. They launched the device as Z4 in Japan first to know how people would react, which is so many dissapointment. Knowing that, they change the name to Xperia Z3 plus and release it wotldwide. Sony is now preparing Z3 plus in an aluminum body (maybe with a little spec bump) and will release it as Xperia Z4.

  • roeshak

    Bullocks! It was intended to be the z4 but it became clear to them it wouldn’t be received well under that name. Japan is their home and strongest market so they’ve stuck to their guns over there.
    They’ve done it to limit the criticism they were certain to receive and will still receive. Name change or not!
    Not good enough. It’s as simple as that. It’s a 2014 flagship with an upgraded processor. They saw what happened to htc and the m9. This name change is an attempt to avoid the same happening to them. It won’t work though. They should have called it the z3+ everywhere!
    Sony execs always talk a lot of bull so just disregard that nonsensical official statement.
    The good news I suppose is they themselves acknowledge it isn’t good enough hence the name change internationally so at least we can expect a better effort from them next time round

  • valentino

    same as in chinese. Si

  • SopNaw

    I’m okay for say that the battery is bad compared to the Z3 but like i’ve said, it is personnally not a big problem for me due to the quick charger 2.0.

  • SopNaw

    We will see this in the future, see if this is correct and hope that Sony Mobile will not.

  • Timel

    I’m pretty sure in the near future Sony will definitely stop making Xperia devices

    But I don’t worry about other sony products like alpha NEX, PlayStation and Walkman, they’re very cool products and deserve their recent success.

  • PJ

  • Doubleyoupee

    Because they are ashamed.

  • Timel


  • kaostheory

    Maybe they’re finally trying to figure out marketing. For some reason only Sony gets blasted in the reviews for their 6mo cycle (even comments here) yet nothing is ever said about Samsungs constant updates and changes (active is their most recent) and hTc with the M8 upgrade to the M8 eye and most recently the M9 and new Butterfly.

  • Timel

    This comment explained everything LOL

  • Shubham

    htc also is getting scrutinized for producing constant sidekicks of m9 on pocketnow and others!

  • Shubham

    :D LOL

  • Timel

    I hate Sony ‘s double standard
    In Japan market it called Z4
    While Global market called Z3+

    This is the most stupid maketing ever!

  • roeshak

    It’s not double standards. They just couldn’t release this as the z4 internationally. Look what happened to the m9 lol

  • Naail Zahid

    Well 2015 also has hexacores so there’s that…

  • Xyor

    just look for htc M9 camera reviews….at least find some others who make a compelling example…

    The Galaxy S6 (Edge) is indeed a real improvement over the pass. But htc and LG? M9 and G4? you gotta be kidding me. The M9 somehow made a less phone than M8 and the G4 is probably in the same shoes with Z3+. And please give more time for others to catch up alright? Samsung barely got to the level of the 20.7 mp sensor and others are still using inferior Sony sensors. lol, such as the htc M9. It takes more time than you imagine to put a design into production. You for sure can rush it, look at SD 810 then you will know the result. Talking about manual controls and RAWs…Why in the world will people who really concern about picture quality use their phone? You got RAW, great! Then you had to spend time to learn how to and actually process the pictures (there is a reason why it’s called RAW right? they are all meaningless 0 and 1s from the sensor.) And I bet most people can’t handle manual control and probably will ended up producing worse picture. Just think about what others use the phones to take pictures for and how many people are still buying DSLRs, then you’ll know not everyone need to have those functions. There is a problem in SOMC’s image processing. They made too much of a deal on brightness and kinda lose some others. But their processing is definitely not the worst. Look at htc m9…rocks a 20 mp, inferior Sony sensor, and with all the perks that you wish to have on a phone, did all that make m9 a better camera phone? hell no.
    Really sick and tired of everyone trying to be the ceo/director of SOMC.

  • Valerie Williams

    ???????????Take Easy with xperiablog < my buddy's step-mother makes $74 hourly on the computer . She has been without a job for 7 months but last month her paycheck was $14216 just working on the computer for a few hours.

    official website ===—->-> SEE MORE DETAIL

  • Timel
  • Afzal Zainal Rddz

    Japan market as Z4 ( 6 month cycle flagship release )

    Global release as Z3+ ( an update version due to 12month cycle flagship release ) just like xperia S update to xperia SL. for global release next successor of xperia Z3 will be Z5 , Z5+ , Z7, Z7+

  • Timel

    It sounds like Sony copy Apple’s strategy

  • Afzal Zainal Rddz

    If you cant beat them, join them…. :-)

  • xperiaDROID

    Because this is just an upgraded Z3, and not the next true flagship. So, Z3+ makes sense, just pretend that it’s a more premium variant in the Z3 series, just like iPhone 6 and 6 Plus.

    It’s time to gear up on the Z5, Sony. Don’t fool around anymore.

  • bahar_b
  • Xyor

    Sony is going to sell less number of phones due to the cut in production line and customization for carriers in certain areas. But as long as it’s still making phones, then I am buying them.

  • Timel


    sorry I don’t get it.

  • iCeQubeTomato

    Because the name is less disgusting for releasing a ‘flagship’ every half a year with little improvements over features

  • xperiaDROID

    BlackBerry isn’t in the top 10, did they go bankrupt?
    HTC isn’t in the top 10, did they go bankrupt?
    Sony isn’t in the top 10 anymore, but that doesn’t mean that they will go bankrupt. It’s just that the Chinese manufacturers are too strong.

    The reason why manufacturers like BlackBerry, HTC and Sony can survive from the storm is because their attitude, like, not giving up, rebuilding strategy and positive thinking. If the company is ran by a retard pussy like you, always thinking of bankrupt, the company will definitely go bankrupt.

  • Malcolm

    Ashamed of what, not releasing a flagship twice a year?

  • Chan Kin Cheung

    actually this is the (quote-and-quote) first flagship of 2015

  • Faisal Armand

    Hey dude.. I never mentioned HTC in the first place as I thought M9 is the worst flagship of 2015. Yes the camera is bad, it’s full of noise in daylight and in low light, the whole image is noise reduction mess with barely any details available

    Correction, HTC uses 20MP toshiba sensor not a sony one.

    Yes, probably only 5% will enjoy the benefit of RAW and full manual controls. The 95% wants an easy shooting experience with good results. But what’s wrong with satisfying 100% of people’s needs? Even with Z3+, sony refuses to add OIS and in plane 192 point phase detection autofocus. Both of features has massive contribution to easy shooting experience which is the point of using smartphone camera.

    I also believe that sony’s image processing isn’t as crap as others say. See my disqus profile for my analysis of xperia camera

    Oh, you honestly think that I am a person that only want full controls and RAW without actually knowing how to use it? See my photostream

    You will see why I need full manual controls. My low light shots would’ve been much better if there’s shutter speed settings.

    I also know what RAW is. It’s uncompressed image data straight out of the sensor, editing it (especially low light images) on a 1/2.3″ sensor will be a pain in the ass

  • Chan Kin Cheung

    so fucked up that you can only vote down but not dislike

  • Zidhin Mohd

    So ps4?

  • grav1ty

    Because they realized that it is very stupid to jump to 4th generation of Z with minimal changes by adding +1 like they always did in past. Even Z1 should be named Z+, Z3 should be Z2+

    Doesn’t matter if it’s got new SoC and upgraded Ports etc.
    It is almost the same Phone like Z3. People want real changes, like a complete new fresh UI, a completely new design.

    You can build your second smartphone in one generation with few updates, for example
    Z, Z+ -> real new phone z2, z2+ -> again real new phone z3, z3+
    and so on..

  • Meysam Khanbabaie

    Sony copper color Z3+ super sexy…

  • Timel

    I’m pretty sure Sony Mobile is going bankrup in the near future, HTC as well ^^

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  • vzangel

    And Apple even does that yearly! iPhone fans have to wait a hole year for an S model with a minor spec bump, meanwhile Sony is faster and everybody complains. But the difference is how it’s presented, marketing is everything.

  • Simon Setyadarma

    Well yeah, S6 definitely the best phone on the market but lack of great battery life.
    I think Faisal was right, Sony really needs to catch up on camera segment, it’s ironic while Samsung use Sony’s lenses and produce more better picture rather than Sony Xperia itself.
    Yes, phone camera maybe wont beat DSLR anyway, but people wont carry a DSLR everytime around, it’s just too heavy and people want to take a beauty pics quickly then share them with their friends by simply upload it to media, not like DSLR which a bit too much to take some selfies or just want to take some pics when you are on vacation, not a photo shooting or studio.
    Sony really needs to fix their software and take a full advantages of 20.7 MP camera, especially Superior Auto, since most people use SA to take quick pics. And I agree that not everyone can use Manual Mode as some experts out there, but let them learn how to use it if they want :)

  • jayjay

    Dude. I can’t stand you. Can you just evaporate? You’re a disgrace to humanity.

  • grav1ty

    Sony is faster by releasing flagships, which doesn’t mean that they are completely new phones! Take a look and start from Z to Z4 today..

    Z was released feb 2013, two years later we have z4.. it’s the “4” which makes it bad, because it is a huge jump in number with “small” jumps in HW/Design! Almost like Internet Browsers.. Chrome is at version 43 now :D

  • DBS

    If Sony thinks that the Japanese market is the one that is different from the rest of the World, maybe they should consider completely changing the Z branding of the phones in Japan.

    They already release the Z Compact line under the A line in Japan, so the best they could do would be to move the Japanese “normal” Z line to The A branding too.
    That way:

    – In Europe we would get, ONCE A YEAR: a Z flagship. Z5, Z5Compact and Z5 Ultra/Tablet Compact (sorry but, to me, above 6″, it’s a tablet already, not a phablet and most definitely not a phone).

    – In Japan they would get the A1, A2, A3, A4, A592 every 6 months or every time the Japanese carriers decide they want a new phone.

    I just think it’s stupid to let the idiosyncrasy of the Japanese market bring down the entire mobile division. If Sony wants to force the Japanese consumer habits around the World, then they might as well close down the shop and retire exclusively to the Japanese market because consumers World-wide will not adapt their consumer habits to whatever fad goes on in Japan regarding devices.

  • Timel

    Totally Agree!!! You’re absolutely right! ^^

    In reality no one want to waste the time on smartphone by using manual mode, smartphone is for point and shoot, if Sony get the point then they must seriously improve their Superior auto mode.

  • apolloa

    I thought they are supposed to be holding a press event tomorrow for a new Xperia flagship in Hong Kong anyway? That could explain the Z3+ name?

  • Matt

    So here goes ,

    all i hear is whining , and moaning , sony do this ,sony do that, if samsung can do this why cant you do the same ? pathetic. You bought , your Xperia Z3 or Z2 or whatever that is of the feature that are on THAT PHONE and on THAT time you bought it. so there is that, its great that if sony can improve the software on it for their user.

    But honestly this forum is really ungrateful. Its really nice to see sony brought lollipop to all xperia line without notable issues. ask every s5 owner.

    what i am trying to say is dont be too needy, yes shutter speed control would be nice. and im sure sony will bring them eventually , maybe on z5 .

    then again who am i to speak since absolutely everyone here is a financial expert and know how to sell millions and millions of xperia phones. ahhh if sony hear you guys out, i bet the will be the king of smartphone world right about next week.

  • Matt


  • Xyor

    I apologize for the misinformation on the M9’s sensor, regardless, my point stands. Hardware wise, the sensor itself sees no external competition until this year.
    The problem is there is no such thing as 100% satisfaction rate. How could you possibly make everyone satisfied. Even with the best of everything in a phone, you will have to charge a premium price then people would complain about its price.
    There are compromises that they need to make in order to make a production level phone. Take the OIS as a example, if that function were to be added, the size of the camera would dramatically increase, remember Lumias? Remember G2? Even LG removed the OIS in its later devices, because it’s big. See even apple can’t fit that thing in iPhone 6 so only the 6+ gets it. And samsung had to make the camera protruding. Sony as a company who value design way more than other perspective will definitely not allow that to be on its phone. And there are other approaches to achieve the same function, such as increase the speed of focus, like what LG had done with laser focus thingy. OIS might be more useful in video shooting but considering the fact that Sports cameras are pretty popular nowadays, it’s kinda pointless.
    You really don’t have to show me your work, just because you know how to and willing to do those things, doesn’t necessarily mean everyone is or even it’s worth the time. Thus, because Sony is not producing products for an individual or certain population but the mass, there are things that they will have to give up for their concerns. Maybe the sensor department doesn’t want the manual function on their sensor because its intelligent information might be exploited by unauthorized parties due to the openness of Android. In order to make the manual function possible, SOMC might need to choose between either having inferior sensors like other manufactures or simply lock the bl and make it harder for 3rd party to develop. Just a perceptive.
    And you said it yourselves that it’d pain in the ass to process those date then if you really want to produce a great picture, carry something. It’s all about balance. There is no such thing as perfect or 100%.

    There is always limitations and compromises.
    So my point is not that you don’t have to right to complain about not having a “perfect phone.” But just note that every decision comes with a price and a company that produce for the mass need to find the right balance.

  • jokensy

    What’s wrong with Timel? Did someone from Sony raped his mother or what!?

  • Xyor

    How about focusing more on integration with playstation and Sony entertainment, make PS users more willingly to buy more Xperias. Camera might be the most hit segment now, but it will pass away. One day the quality difference will be minimized and it will be satisfactory enough for most people that manufacturers have to find other segments to compete against each other.

  • Afzal Zainal Rddz

    I tought htc one m9 using toshiba sensor not sony sensor.

  • Mac

    I think it’s the best alternative. Although I believe it’s stupid calling it Z4 in Japan. This sh!t is going to confuse ppl when z5 comes out. Also, the Z4 tablet should’ve been named z3+ tablet. Makes more sense.

  • Dean Weaver

    Wise move from SONY – pretending this is innovative & new by calling it Z4 is obviously rubbish. From an ‘almost ex experia’ fan..

  • Simon Setyadarma

    Sounds great, but don’t let them force P’s player to buy Xperia, well not all of us even have a PlayStation.
    Camera segment will keep growing time by time since people use it often to save their moments or just to show off to their grandchildren, etc.
    I love Sony still has memory card and it is waterproof, it’s good tho.

  • Matt

    Gosh, youre really hitting the point there mate. Can we be friends or something ? hahahaha

    anyway backing up (and correcting) your argument there, LG still uses OIS on their camera. but ill accept the fact that neither z3 or z2 or even z3+ have an OIS. and its okay. have you guys seen steady shot? its quite phenomenal if you ask me.

    the sticking point i think is z series phones are a well though out and well balanced phones, with really small compromises.

  • Xyor

    Yeah…They are heading to a right direction with PS4 Link,
    And I think Sony’s image/software is bad. I don’t see it being the bottom of any competition. To be honest, I think people are too critical on…

  • Xyor

    Sure, mate, lol
    I thought they had abandoned it in G3 already.
    Yeah, for something that can be compensated in software, I don’t really see the point to make a phone that is either thicker or has a protruding camera.

  • Simon Setyadarma

    Well, maybe because they lose in with their lenses on the other phone. Samsung and Apple use Sony’s and the pictures quality much more better than Xperia itself, that’s why people complain about camera and the image processing

  • Faisal Armand

    I am trying to be objective and fair here.

    I was infuriated when Sony disables manual controls in lollipop. But I APPRECIATE the fact that Sony delay it for so long to clear bugs. My friend has Note 4 and after lollipop update, the battery drains faster, the whole phone is infested with bugs, and the performance is laggier.

    When Xperia Z2 was launched, it was undoubtedly THE GREATEST smartphone of 2014. There is no doubt about it and I have no complains whatsoever. But for the love of God, this is 2015! A lot has changed in the competition of smartphone world!

    Look at Samsung, They know that Galaxy S5 wasn’t too hotly received mainly because of cheap, tired, outdated plastic design and below par camera performance in indoors and low light. And they remedy their mistake with Galaxy S6 Edge.

    Look at LG, LG G3 barely has any settings in their camera and now they bring the best camera experience ever with LG G4.

    And now I may ask.. What is the true revolutionary feature Z3+ has that Z2 & Z3 don’t have? Tell me.

    Second Question.. Do you guys that say we are complaining honestly believe that Sony has the best business strategy of all smartphone manufacturer? Please

    I can bet my whole ass, if Z3+ comes with OIS and 192 point PDAF, you guys will jizz your pants right now.

  • Simon Setyadarma

    Steady Shots is more than enough for me. No bouncing while recording videos.

  • Xyor

    But Xperia’s dark performance tho. In nearly no light condition, Xperia can at least capture something while others only can do nothing

  • Faisal Armand

    FYI, image processing isn’t the main issue of picture quality. It’s the mismanagement of automode and the lens.

    I’ve done extensive research and made an analysis. Check my disqus profile

  • Simon Setyadarma

    I tried that, with their superior auto and 12800 ISO, all I got is a purple color…, well it’s good to have a higher ISO than the competitor, but in low light performance even N4 could beat Z3 with its 800 ISO, I think Sony does have the material, all they need is how to tweak it and fully take the advantages of the material, when they done with it, they could beat Samsung.
    P.s. At least now Sony try to advertise their Xperia (out of topic), hope it could help to gain more consumer.

  • Simon Setyadarma

    Idk, but I think image processing involved here, sometimes pictures will get so bright after it is processed or water paint looks like.

  • Xyor

    You are absolutely right, that super high ISO thingy is what really confused me when they released the Z3. It’s really unusable and they probably noticed
    They don’t have to beat anyone. Just stay alive is what I would ever ask for. I just want Xperia to an option whenever I need to switch phone;_;

  • Simon Setyadarma

    They limit the ISO up to 1600 or 3200 on manual mode with no reason (or maybe I don’t know yet). It is useless if the ISO too high and all you got is a picture full of noises.
    Xperia will keep alive btw, so hard to know Xperia will gone and hope it won’t. Cmon Sony, do an innovative things!

  • fried_egg

    It would be good if someone, once the roadmap of Android “M” is known (developers show is soon), can guestimate what the next “M- ready” phone needs and what hardware is possible. I would have liked wirefree charging for example. I can see “M” requirements being central to the 3+ replacement (because if it doesnt come with it, it will need to be able to upgrade to it)

  • Faisal Armand

    So bright, overexposed? If that happens in daylight then that’s because of the software picks the wrong metering system. If overexposing happens in low light, then the software choose ISO too high.

    Water painting? I can tell you the painting effect of iphone 6/6+ (which is famous for making the best software in minimal hardware) and lumia 930 is heavier than Xperia Z2/Z3.

    Z2 vs lumia 930 low light comparison:

    I seriously thought Z2 was going to lose badly but the opposite happenned. In non flash test, Z2 beats 930 more often than not even with Z2 used higher ISO than 930. Z2’s images ara a bit grainier but they have more details, 930’s images have less noise but the details are very blurry

    Z3C vs iphone 6:


    Xperia Z3 Compact

  • Doubleyoupee

    Z4 would indicate it’s their new flagship, Z3+ indicates more of a minor update.
    S6 dominates Z3+, so they don’t want people to think it’s their new flagship.

  • Simon Setyadarma

    If you use full 20.7 MP, people said it will produce more detail and better pictures which is true since iPhone only have 8 MP on it.
    Xperia user know, if they use Manual and tweak a bit, the picture will come out so badly great, but most people use SA and it works hit and miss.. Sometimes it produces great quality and sometimes not, often not. Sony’s camera will produce the most natural color and sometimes too cold and dull.
    Thank you for your photos, but I think it needs more than 1 photos to compare 2 smartphones.
    Like here
    and here

    Maybe you’ve seen it before or idk.. But iPhone 6 did beat Z3c if there’s enough light, but Z3c bring a better photo in darkness (which is great).

  • Matt

    on this matter no one can be purely objective. and the z2 wasn’t the best of the bunch, its suits you better than any other phone. but the best ? nope.

    we often use big words like design, and build quality without rearding of many other things that equally important. and i might be the only one, but i prefer normal s6 over the edge. why? edge comes with a terrible trade of such as :
    #less grip
    #extra cost without true benefit (except looks)
    #colour banding and uneven backlit.

    it is improvement for sake of improvement and wows only. almost none of it really useful to the end user. if thats what you want is ok .. i wont disagree with you.To be honest i still think omnibalance is a pure beauty , and im glad sony sticking with it. They dont have to reinvent the wheel every 6 months dont they?

    the answer for your question:
    1. its easy , NONE ! :P there isnt any, and it doenst have to either. its enough internal improvement already.

    2. i do not know , im not majoring in economy and i think is useless to be spouting empty opinion on the internet about something i dont really know about , am i wrong ? and im sure people at sony are smart enough to predict the market moving forward. as we are seeing improvement in sales for z3 line.

    and you can gladly keep your ass with you , for sony wont add that feature to z3+ , im sure of it . :) maybe next iteration.

  • Matt

    haha nope they are still using it.

    since you have common sense, i want your opinion on Omnibalance. do you think sony should change it ?

  • Faisal Armand

    Yes I know that 20.7MP shot from Xperia is more detailed than 8MP shot. As a matter of fact, I was the one who show it first to the audience here :)

    Oh that Z3C vs iphone 6 comparison that I brought was from phonearena. There are 22 conditions from daylight to indoors and the area where iphone 6 truly won is the front facing camera. And Z3C was in superior auto

    I alread saw both comparisons from you. in that, I saw Z3 in a camera comparison against G3, N4, oneplus, and lumia 1020. And the viewers of that site favour Z3’s camera over most others. In the iphone 6 comparison, when I zoom in to examine detail, Z3 is sharper but was letdown by a flaw in the metering system that caused highlight area to get blown (overexposed)

    In the gsmarena, daylight stills tell the same story. Z3c beat the iphone when it comes to details. The main reason why Z3c lost in indoors is the wrong ISO and shutter speed selection. iphone used ISO 200 and 1/15s while Z3C used ISO 400 and 1/32s. If the shutter open for longer, you get more light into the sensor and thus the photos are brighter but at the same time have less noise and more details and add the fact that iphone use lower ISO contributes as well.

    This is a part of my analysis about Xperia Camera:

    I think the reason why Xperia cameras produced less details than competitors such as Note 4 (in daylight especially) is because Xperia cameras have always use very wide angle 25-27mm lens: When you have wide angle lens, you capture much more in one scene but the image perspective is very zoomed out and therefore the detail resolving power is divided because the sensor has to deal with many objects on one scene. Note 4 uses very narrow 31mm lens, you get less objects in one scene but the image perspective is zoomed in and you get more details because the sensor doesn’t have to deal with many objects in one scene.
    As a matter of fact I have my own experience to prove this:
    – I did a outdoor landscape comparison of my Z2 and my mom’s Xperia T2 Ultra. I used full 20.7MP on Z2 and full 12.8MP on T2 Ultra. Z2 has 27mm lens and T2 has 30 or 31mm lens. In terms of detail, T2 ultra matched Z2 even though it has resolution difference of nearly 8 million pixels! Image processing wise, Z2 is quite on the sharpening side while T2’s NR is stronger. But why is T2’s detail is matching Z2? Because of the lens FoV that I talked about earlier.
    – I recently bought a Z3 and just compared it’s camera against Z2. And Z2 is better in every ISO range. Processing wise, both are the same.. But again, Z3’s very wide 25mm is just too much for a 1/2.3″ sized sensor.

    See this as a proof:

  • Drocx

    They should have called it Z3- rather than +.

  • P9

    hope Z3+ doesn’t got any problem
    gonna upgrade from Z soon^^

    Sony, best.

  • Faisal Armand

    I dunno dude but it’s clear that Z2 didn’t have major weakness as S5 and One M8 had (tired looking design and 4MP camera)

    And let’s back to my questions:
    1. It doesn’t have to, huh? I disagree with you about this one beacauee this is the reason why people criticise Z3 line as “halfgrades”

    2. Whoa.. Coincidently, I am majoring in economy & business organization management. And I can honestly say that sony mobile’s business strategy (2 flagships/year, gazzilions of midrange phones with the same specs) is going to have massive cost impact at the very least in the operations and human capital department. Then, I thought mo wonder sony is losing billions of dollars.

    For me, smartphone maufacturer that has the best business strategy is apple. Even though I hate their product, but I have to admit that their organization management is very great

    And I wouldn’t be so naive by saying sony teams know where the market is going. I don’t know dude, but every big company has problems. I spent my research thesis at Nestle which we saw as a huge & great company. But when I examine the whole organization as a whole, I found several very fucked up things such as job descriptions that has been out of date for 10 years which leads to unbalanced pay, high turnover, and some dissatisfaction. But hey, that was just an example.

    As for the Z3+ extra features that I mentioned earlier (OIS, PDAF) I was saying IF.. we can dream, can’t we?

  • Timel

    Blue Topaz and Emerald Green are much sexier

  • Matt

    well i think it came down to a personal preference , i really like the z3 shape over z2, it is really sleek and dare i say different by quite a margin. i can sum the z3 design in one word, Subtle. its about little things. almost like porsche, the soul and the body is almost exactly the same , but there is always improvement here and there.

    well then , if youre majoring on economics and business, its you that should explain to us how things works ,)

    i like apple products, macs, they are brilliant ! im not really attached to a particular brand , instead i see the quality of the products as it is. yes spec is important. Not everything is written on the paper . . . gosh im going all philosophy on you, sorry for that

  • Mathias Cronqvist

    It was either that, or “stop being a whiny child”. I thought I made the right choice. Guess not.

  • Faisal Armand

    I have Z2 & Z3 with me, I think they both have beautiful designs. The difference is in my opinion, Z2’s design is more masculine while Z3 is more elegant.

    Well.. The apple products that I don’t like the most is the iphone and funny thing is, apple products get better as they get bigger XD. But I am not into PCs that much though

    If I compare sony and apple’s business strategy, I am going to put management theory and the implementation:

    The best company is the one that has the minimum amount of waste. The term waste here is something that isn’t useful in the whole production process

    See this.. Sony has 2 flagship phones per year, so many midrange with the same specs, and entry level budget phones as well and we are counting dual sim version of flagships, midranges, and entry levels as well. The short conclusion is sony makes so many products in a year.

    When you make a product, there will definitely be production costs and then you multiply that cost to a number of product that sony makes, that alone will make production and operation costs staggeringly high and expensive.

    Then you also have to pay for human workers that make the products. And when there are so much products to make, you either have to pay them overtime or you have to add more workers. And from that you get a high labour cost as well.

    After the products are finished, what do you do? You launch them into market and just leave them? No. You market them, you advertise them so people want to buy your product. And those marketing and advertising will surely need a lot of money as well.

    And now let’s look at apple. Apple only make 4 products each year (no dual sims). 2 iphones, standard and plus. And 2 ipads, bigs and minis.

    And as we know, apple products usually have lower specs than the competition but in terms of production process, that is advantageous for apple as they can cut the cost down by using older parts and components. And when you have few products to make, the production process aren’t as complicated and the cost will surely be low. From that point, you also don’t have to pay excessive amount of money for labour cost. And add the fact that apple’s brand name is insanely powerful, so when a new iphone is launched, an aggresive marketing isn’t neccesary as people already know the product. Then add the fact that iphone sales number has always been astonishing plus that usual overpriced price tag. It’s no wonder apple makes tons of money.

    And from that point, it isn’t hard to see why sony loses billions of dollars

  • Svnjay

    ITT: Butthurt

  • Malcolm

    But everyone else using Snapdragon 810 is not ashamed, so why would Sony be?

  • Malcolm

    Depends on how you define the flagship. If it is the most powerful device by the company during the year so far, then yes. But I would define it better as something that has a considerable improvement over the previous flagship.

  • Doubleyoupee

    HTC should be ashamed as well.
    Look at their new phone, it’s a failure.
    LG’s G4 can actually defend itself.

  • bahar_b

    Nothing personal,Chan Kin Cheung… it’s just good business.

  • Keion London

    A bit off topic but I don’t understand at this present time why people Flag “Timel”. Sony mobile isn’t giving us, hardcore Sony fans, what we have been waiting for all these years. Personally I respect his criticism because until Sony releases a flagship that can hold it’s ground against the likes of Samsung and LG, I agree with Timel. Have been waiting too long and this is their last chance……

  • Billy de Fretes

    every year, most of the people always complain about Z series, especially minor improvement.
    When Z to Z1, Z1 to Z2, Z2 to Z3 there’s no big differences between those phones. so there’s no problem for me if they decided to give “+” on new phone if no big change.
    Z3 owner will not fell down since minor upgrade.
    If they gave us Z4 with only small changes, it will be bad for Sony.

  • bahar_b

    timel may have worst situation…
    when all other is wrong from your eye it’s time for professional consultant.may be they can sort it out.

  • Make your jokes at Timel. You might get him to stop coming here.

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  • Chan Kin Cheung

    nope it will be good, at the least Z3’s price will slit as soon as Z3+ annonced

  • Chan Kin Cheung

    Timel has won the show, now everyone remembers him as “THE complainer with a heart”

  • Chan Kin Cheung

    they should have called it 1/10 Z3 – PI. 3.1415 TIMES improvement but 10 TIMES the worse expectation

  • Chan Kin Cheung

    you shouldn’t say that, you should probably rephased it like”What’s wrong with Timel, did he got a younger brother whose father is Sony?”

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  • Geese Howard

    Well nonetheless they listened and did a good job changing the number. Funny to see how when the Z4 comes out globally, what will the Z4 be called in China and Japan since it already bears that name?

  • Geese Howard

    Dude, let him be man. He’s probably peeping with agony while Sony is raping Samsung :)

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  • Heck, even with my Xperia Z1 I barely see any reason to upgrade to any of the newer Sony flagships. I’ve always wanted the latest and greatest, so I’m surprising myself here that I’m still more than happy with my Z1. Especially after mods like 4K and 120fps video. The only reason to upgrade would be to get stereo speakers and a better design. But that’s not even worth €50 to me, let alone the actual price difference between these devices considering I’d have to then sell my Z1 for less.

    TL;DR: My Z1 feels about as modern as it gets, still.

  • Panji Aditya

    bare micro USB port, yet it is waterproof.

    and dat copper one, mmm……

    I’ll wait til a compact one arrives, though.

  • Faisal Armand

    I feel the same way

  • goldenblls

    I thought it was something to do with Chinese culture. Is it true that there were no original Nokias or Sony Ericsson phones beginning with the number four? e.g. N400 series or T400i

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  • 3xChester_exe

    Timel probably having sweet time with G6 Edge xDD

  • Lunkz

    the stupidest way to put the jack on a phone is on the left or right… thank god its a tablet…

  • Mathias Cronqvist

    Tried. Didn’t work.

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