Does the Snapdragon 810 chipset put you off the Xperia Z3 Plus?

by XB on 2nd June 2015

in Featured Content, Xperia Z4 and Z3+ series


SnapDragon 810Rightly or wrongly, the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 chipset has not had the best of press. Even before we saw the 810 chipset make an appearance in any phones, there was plenty of speculation on heat problems and higher-than-usual throttling.

Perhaps, because of this, there aren’t too many phones that use the Snapdragon 810 chipset. We can think of only two major ones outside of the Xperia Z3 Plus, the HTC One M9 and LG G Flex 2. Additional factors that gave credence to these rumours include the fact that Samsung decided to use its own silicon for the Galaxy S6/S6 Edge and LG used the Snapdragon 808 for the G4, instead of the 810.

Ars Technica’s write-up on the Snapdragon 810 heat issues was particularly illuminating. It tested the impact of throttling on the above mentioned HTC and LG phones utilising the 810 chipset and posted its findings: “In short, chips throttle, but the 810 throttles more than most, and it’s severe enough that the 810 is actually slower than the 801 or 805 in some CPU-bound tasks over the long haul.”

Recent Xperia Z3+ benchmark tests shows that it lags some of the 2015 competition, which could be related to Sony keeping the processor speed under control to avoid excessive heat problems. Our question for you today is, does it put you off knowing that the Xperia Z3+/Z4 runs the Snapdragon 810 chipset given all of the media attention Qualcomm has faced this year?

We have already seen some off-the-cuff comments suggesting that the Xperia Z3+ is a nice phone but shame about the chipset. Is this something that would genuinely put you off a purchase? Are the issues overblown in your view? We’d love to hear your thoughts below.

Snapdragon-810-throttling Xperia

  • Erwin Schrodinger

    Yes

  • Kaarthikeyan Swaminathan

    I will wait for a real life scenario than trust the smart one giving review of things that they have either not used or doesn’t know what they talk. Planning to upgrade from my sweet z1 to z3+. Only turn off for me would be the price. Waiting for it. If it is a bomb I might remove off the + from the z3

  • Gadget Lover

    No, I don’t really care about benchmark, If its performs well in the real world then I don’t care. What really matters is the real world performance. I’ll wait for review.

  • Carljn

    Not at all. The advantages outnumber the disadvantages. I’d rather have the 810 than any other available SoC.

  • Vuyo Ncube

    CPU performance isn’t a big deal these days for many smartphones but Sony was forced to downclock the SD810 for better battery life. Some preliminary benchmarks showed that it was comparable to the Nexus 6 and Galaxy Note 4. Sony wasted it’s time with a crippled, rushed processor. The Z3+ performs well enough but it’s burdened with half assed hardware.

    WHICH DRIVES HOME MY POINT: SONY SHOULD HAVE USED THE CHEAPER SD805 UNTIL THE SD820 WAS READY. Dammit, Qualcomm. Get it right in 2016.

  • Aiden Pearce

    I don’t give a f*** about oems like sammy who compares the benchmark and live.. if my phone works just fine for my daily usage those benchmarks doesn’t matter..
    Sony will give better battery life and less heat that is better ..and whatever speed or no of cores oems give it is still a PHONE!!!!

  • Nathan

    I’m not buying anything with a S810 inside.

  • Alvin

    I’m gonna wait

  • Abdul Ghani

    Just want Sony to use helio x20 in their next flagship

  • hansip

    If it can still provide the said 2 battery life, well no, not at all. You want to prove sd 810 is fast? Benchmark z3+ under water will close the debate. Outside of benchmark even the old 801 is more than enough.

  • Boonerski

    Actually recent Snapdragon SoCs like the 810 and 808 seem underwhelming for me. The 810 is too heavy of a burden to itself that it throttles and overheat while the 808 can be described as just functional and doesn’t really outperform other competing SoCs. Waiting for the 820 or I might just opt for Samsung’s Exynos… Overall, I’m just waiting for an SoC that doesn’t get too toasty in the hand and performs consistently while under some load.

  • jonyah

    I hadn’t followed this news, but it’s definitely interesting. I’d be interested in moving to the Z3+ just for the exposed usb port, but this would give me reason to pause before making such a decision.

  • Emil Oskarsson

    Snapdragon 810 seems to be working just fine in Xperia Z4 tablet so I will go for the tablet this year and next year I will find a phone to replace my beloved Xperia Z ;)

  • André Faria

    Yes.

  • DBS

    Given the precedents of the chip on other phones, yes.
    But there’s a lot more that puts me off on the Z3+ so I’m not 100% sure it would be THE deal breaker. It would be A deal breaker…
    Sony would have to offer a hell of a lot of improvements to justify the troubles of the SD810. None of which are present on the Z3+.

  • Niels d. G.

    After almost a year I’m still amazed at how snappy my SD801 Xperias are (Z2 Tablet and Z3 Compact), I won’t need anything faster for quite a while.

  • xperiaDROID

    But do you care about overheating and speed throttling? Phones like LG G Flex 2, HTC One M9, Xiaomi Mi Note Pro have already proved that this chipset is the biggest failure from Qualcomm.

    If there’s really no problem with the chipset, then why did LG went with Snapdragon 808 instead of 810 on their G4? Same thing goes to HTC, why they used Mediatek Helio X10 instead of Snapdragon 810 on their One M9 Plus?

    Overheating and speed throttling not just ruin the performance of the phone, but the user experience as well. Unless Sony found a solution to prevent the overheating like Xiaomi does, but you’ll never stop the speed throttling. Qualcomm might have told these manufacturers to deny the issues of the Snapdragon 810.

    So, Snapdragon 810 is a big no for me.

  • xperiaDROID

    I pay $700 for a flagship, I expect it to have cutting edge fast performance. Not speed throttling.

    Sony might be able to prevent the overheating, but it’s impossible to prevent the speed throttling.

  • xperiaDROID

    Snapdragon 810, big NO for me.

  • rzero21

    I’m more worried about battery life. The Z2 was/is amazing.

    The big plus to me is the USB port location. Hopefully Sony releases more Audio and Support Equipment compatible with the Z3+.

    In fact, I hope Sony comes up with a new standard among its devices to have a common way to mount their smartphones on several equipments, doesn’t matter if it’s a Z3+ or a phablet, or a compact phone, just like how Sony has made several audio equipment compatible with ipods and iphones in the past.

  • 5u5m1t

    I’m happy with my Z3c’s S801 and more interested to see what custom 64-bit core Qualcomm come up with next year cause the custom core in the S4 was what put the company properly on the map, thrashing Nvidia’s offerings for performance and more importantly efficiency.

  • Epyon007

    I’m going to stick with my ZL for now and see what happens in Q4 of this year. Depending on what happens, I might look at other manufacturers. The chipset is a problem. The price though seems to be the bigger turn-off right now.

  • ZoubIWah

    Well the s6 battery life is attrocious… Its fast yes but at what cost..

  • Matt

    Hmm ,no at least I’ll wait for the review

    Benchmark aren’t that important. Let’s just see if it can deliver 2 days battery with smaller capacity.

    Looking at the quality of Sony products in believe it won’t be as bad as people think. Still in got my non plus z3.. .

    Ia i want to buy a new phone right now the thing that will drive me away from z3 plus is the open flap. . I don’t know, I’m fully ok with the flaps, I got a magnetic dock since the day one.

  • ZoubIWah

    The camera puts me off. The cpu, meh who cares if it works at least as well as the 801 its not a big deal

  • Gadget Lover

    I do care about overheating and don’t care about speed throttling. As long as the device performs well in the real world scenario and doesn’t overheat I don’t care how much they put a cap in the clock speed. Anyway M9 shows that you can get great real world performance with proper software optimization. After the update M9 doesn’t overheat and it doesn’t affect the real world performance whereas S6 gets hotter than M9 in real world performance. check out pocketnow’s video review and comparison between those two device.

    How the fuck should I know why did LG go for 808 but not for 810? But I can only speculate – maybe cause they don’t know how to optimize the software for 810. Anyway their gaming performance will be worst of the bunch Z3+, S6, M9 . Weak gpu and QHD resolution is no joke. Why should samsung choose 810 when they can produce much better SoC then qualcomm. The chip on S6 is much better than SD810. Samsung did a make the correct decision this time by putting their superior 14nm chipset.

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  • Faisal Armand

    Mainly because it wasn’t much of an upgrade from.. Well.. Past Xperia Flagships

    More like halfgrades

  • P9

    hope Z3+ won’t get that such problem __

  • Carljn

    But the SD805 doesn’t have built in cellular, whereas the 810 has CAT 9. It also runs LPDDR3 instead of LPDDR4, no H.265 encoding and 28nm manufactoring process vs the 810s 20nm.

  • roeshak

    Although the 810 has issues, it’s fat from off putting. The lacklustre camera with no upgrades is the biggest turn off. No point upgrading for a more powerful processor I won’t notice much or for design refinements.
    My next phone will have to offer notable improvements to the camera on my current Z2. Only the g4 really does that so far!

  • Raj Singh

    I’m happy with my Ultra at this point. I don’t really like Lollipop’s memory management. Google needs to fix this ASAP. It feels like Eclair. Programs get killed off and the home screen has to redraw way too often. The Qualcomm processor in it, though, is really good and can handle pretty much all my activities.

  • Jacky

    if they put 810 in the z compact series this year i’ll get it
    if not, let’s hope they’ll put snapdragon 820 early next year lol

  • fried_egg

    No, although I am in the position of having to wait for my contract to end before jumping in… Actually I have a theory the “Z3+” name was because marketing knew a new phone is coming at the German show and unlike the Japanese buyers the “culture in Europe” would make it difficult on Sony if a flagship was replaced 4 months later… however replacing a clearly marked “interim” improvement “plus” would not be so bad…. So, 4 months until a phone that has a fingerprint scanner and USB-C port to be Android M ready? But I will be happy with a Z3+ subject to some user reviews in the next few weeks

  • fried_egg

    I agree in that my Z1 with Lollipop is very nearly the same as the new phone because of the camera that was fitted back then… minus some of the speed and the few camera software gimmicks that the speed allows of course.

  • Vuyo Ncube

    A separate LTE Cat 6. modem is more than enough for most of the world (galaxy note 4 seems fine with it). LPDDR4 is more efficient than LPDDR3 RAM but both processors share the same memory bandwidth. The 20nm planar process merely offset the increased TDP and power consumption of the the more power hungry stock Cortex A53s and A57s and Qualcomm had rushed without properly designing the chipset. The SD805 used refined Kraft cores (custom Cortex A15s) on a very mature 28nm HPm process. The SD810 wins with H.265 encoding and amazing GPU performance but failed everywhere else in benchmarks and real world performance. Hopefully they move back to a quad core CPU (custom Cortex A57s) and use a ‘true’ FinFET process.

  • Svnjay

    No, I would buy the Z3+ despite having the Snapdragon 810. The performance is still great, you’ll only see the difference in benchmarks.

  • illstplaya .

    I want to know why no one is calling out qualcomm for producing a cpu with so many issues. Qualcomm knows their cpu overheats yet they aren’t pulling it or trying to fix it.

  • The only thing putting me off is the fact that I own a Z2 which is nowhere near in need of an upgrade, and that this one is certainly going to have weaker battery life than the Z2. Optimization can do a lot, but it can’t fight physics.

  • a.hamameh

    It’s a dragon what do you expect from it? :P

  • Abhinav Tella

    I partly agree with your statement, however reason for higher performance is the faster the CPU finishes its work the faster it can idle… The S810 however throttles in tests much more than the S800/801 to point where it actually performs worse in some tests and just equal in others. The extra heat does not help the battery either. Samsung seems to have gotten it right with the Exynos, I am sure SD820 will be much better with the use of Samsung’s FAB’sand a much smaller process. The Z3+ in other areas is much to similar for me to warrant an upgrade. I will be waiting for the Z5 with SD820 and the newer generation high density batteries entering the market slowly.

  • Abhinav Tella

    I don’t know, the Exynos seems to be fine with the new generation ARM core without any heat issues and same is true of Apple Ax series as well. Qualcomm screwed up on this one. Hopefully with the SD820 using Samsung’s smaller process FAB’s will be much better if they fixed whatever was causing the heat issues.

  • CanadianBurns

    You have a Z and the screen didn’t crack? Lucky you! Mine lasted just under a year before it magically hairline fractured. Sony wouldn’t replace it under warranty even when shown the multiple “self cracking screen” complaints, including one investigated by BBC watchdog. That was my last Sony device ever, and after dealing with their customer service I would strongly recommend anyone NOT to buy Sony.

  • Ole Petter Hvesser

    The lack of Qi wireless charging, new camera, and the fact that it gets warm is what puts me off. The original Z got very warm, the Z1 got less warm, and the Z2 is perfect. The Z4+ or Z5 may even come with a fingerprint-scanner, so I’m holding my breath. But I hope they’ll keep the copper color!

  • Abdul Ghani

    mediatek x20 on full load just goes to 33 degrees but s810 goes boom 45-50 which is bad i hope sony uses x20 in next flagship

  • Jovit Magdaong

    I’m eagerly waiting for the Snapdragon 820. This is what holds me off from buying a Z3+

  • Bob

    Sony probably snaggedsnagged bunch of these processors at a huge discount since they were otherwise going to be junked.

  • Akand

    Yes!! Being a fan of OmniBalance design, still I am willing to buy Z3+ only because of SD810. Otherwise, Z3+ was perfect for me.

  • Emil Oskarsson

    I have dropped my phone in the asphalt and other hard floors several times and just gotten a small little cracking in the upper left corner in the front thats barely visible :) So it’s really durable :)

  • Husam

    I agree with you… the amount of hits my Z got equals the amount of hits the average baseball gets :P
    no cracks what so ever, just some scratches here and there…
    speaking of the subject above, the 810 chip is not a good upgrade over the 801… and frankly, if i considered getting a new phone, i’d either get the Z3 or most probably i’d wait for a proper Xperia flagship, i.e Z5 or whatever they call it.

  • philippe luyckx

    No… I don’t care about cpu performance… They all perform pretty good…. As long as it doesn’t heat up !

  • Azhy Najmadin

    No but I care for the camera thats why I dont want it , I will wait for z5

  • Timel

    Yeah another worthless shit comment
    Your comment is nothing except try to defend Sony.

    So pity that Sony has no idea to make its own chipset like Apple and Samsung.

  • Emil Oskarsson

    S810 beats the crap out of s801 in z4 tablet according to benchmarks

  • Husam

    as far as benchmarks are concerned, i agree with you..
    but this is one side of the coin. S810 suffers from overheating, and battery consumption is just horrible compared to S801. and in my opinion, better battery life is more important than raw performance (which you wont enjoy because of throttling).

  • May Czos

    I don’t think cores are the problem, it’s about gig.LITTLE architecture. SD615 is overheating as well. Qialcomm has problems with octa core SoCs, quad and hexa core ones are not problematic.

  • Emil Oskarsson

    Might not be the case on a tablet since you have a larger space to spread the heat on :) and Z4 tablet has great battery life so :)

  • May Czos

    SD810 heats up and the performance drops after just a few seconds.

  • May Czos

    Or gaming. Or in many other situations that need processing power. Throttling means worse performance, worse performance means that it has to work longer to do the same tasks, more time under load means worse battery life.

  • May Czos

    I don’t, X20 has rubbish GPU.

  • May Czos

    I hope not, X20 has rubbish GPU.

  • Mathias Cronqvist

    “Yeah another worthless shit comment”

    Thanks for the warning, Timel.

  • Timel

    You’re welcome my friend ^^

  • Phil

    Of course it’s fine in a tablet, tablets have more room inside to dissipate heat. I also hope Sony starts making there own processor’s, seems the way to go.

  • Abhinav Tella

    In that case I’m guessing ARMv8.1 architecture upgrade should help some of the heat issues by the time SD820 is out.

  • Simos Katsiaris

    the gpu is not integrated, they can swap for an nvidia or an amd z series

  • HAWX

    Apple breaks the laws of physics then? XD

  • Danny

    in the coming days, wouldn’t there be a hands-on review of the Z3+, maybe then we can truly put it to the test and finally knows the truth.

  • Stanley08

    huh?

  • Victor Fuentes

    This is not the first time I’ll skip a generation. I went from the Z to the Z1S, the Z2 wasn’t worth the upgrade so I skipped it. Now owning the Z3, which is a great phone, I don’t see the benefits in jumping into the Z3+… I’ll wait for a real Z4 or Z5. Hopefully by then it will be worth the jump.

  • SC

    Show the benchmarks of the impact it will have on the battery life of device then I will decide.

  • rich

    Mineral oil fill the phones for crying out loud it increases the water proofing depth and hellps cool the phone, on anouther note fixed my over heating issues on my z3 camera with a bit of heat pad and my cracking screen problem with a love mei case, dont let me fix youre big problems on my own sony, how can i out think your design team so easily on my own.

  • Apple doesn’t break any laws, they just have the money to design their own chipsets that favor power efficiency, also iOS is slightly more power efficient. And even with all that, iPhones’ battery life is nothing spectacular. So I don’t see any laws of physics broken there.

  • HAWX

    Apple optimises everything greatly. And they are not slightly more power efficient, way better power efficient. And I respect their view in that because everyrhing from lamps to cars are being developed to be more power efficient. So electricity is important and Apple products use it better. If Apple produce a phone with 3200 mAh battery like Z2 it will have battery life around 1.7 times more than Z2. Or a near zero bezzel 5.2″ phone that has battery life same with Z2.. Apple can release a smartphone that have best single task performance using decent processor and have better battery still having thinner body compared to android phones. But they don’t need that because it’s still the best in gaming and instant touch recognition and that’s most people want.

    Laws of physics could be broken in CERN but obviously not in Smartphone and most electronics by the way. I said it for fun. (XD sign)

  • HAWX

    Well said. I might wanna buy after new iPhone because prices will be lower on most android devices. Or wait 2016. I belive we could see some game-changers at 2016 :)

  • HAWX

    Sad thing is If they use 805 and priced it a little lower I might have been thinking to buy it :( But now, a big No to 810. Ofcourse it is better it some area but compared to it’s price and problems, no. Let the rich prople buy Z3+ and help Sony for Z5 ;)

  • HAWX

    If you are producing a device that will sell millions you put serious engineering on it. (It’s obvious) Selecting an processor is very important because it will directly affect the performance of your phone. And LG isn’t throwing dices to decide which processor they will use. Group of engineers are discussing the processor’s upsides and downsides. And most of that engineers has a knowledge which you can not learn from forum sites on internet. And don’t forget the fact that LG is the closest brand with Qualcomm. So they won’t have a problem ordering the processor in any quantity If Z3+ has. So that means:
    Android + 808 > Android + 810
    That’s it. Stop defending or being Ultra optimistic with Sony. If you have money and won’t regret seeing your phone is not good as compared to LG or Samsung, go buy Z3+. But don’t defend it’s good as the S6 or G4 (except battery life (!)(due to 810)

  • Cesar Silva

    Are you kidding me? I had to borrow my brother’s iphone S5 for a month and I had to charge the phone 2-3 times a day, is that power efficient?

  • May Czos

    GPU comes as a part of the SoC, Mediatek won’t change it.

  • May Czos

    Their quad and hexa core processors are based on ARMv8 and they’re not overheating. So it seems that 8 cores and big.LITTLE are the problem. That’s going to change because Qualcomm is going to use their own custom architecture.

  • Mathias Cronqvist

    >Laws of physics could be broken in CERN
    I don’t think you know anything about physics.

  • Power efficiency ? optimization. iOS isn’t significantly more power-efficient than Android, only slightly. Same for Apple’s CPUs. When those two add up, and then you add in the fact that Apple uses lower-resolution displays which naturally consume less power, it all results in an overall more power-efficient design, but again not “way better”, as the links I provided below prove (iPhone 6 Plus has a 2915mAh battery, Xperia Z3 has 3200mAh, both have a 1080p display, Xperia Z3 has a 1.3GHz higher clocked CPU with 2 extra cores)
    http://blog.gsmarena.com/sony-xperia-z3-battery-life/
    http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-iphone-6-plus-battery-test/
    So I’m curious to know where you got the idea that Apple can make 1.7x more power-efficient phones, and a bezel-less phone when iPhones traditionally have enormous bezels?

  • It’s no secret that GSMArena is sponsored by Samsung, but anyway, the “review” you read was a mere preview, the real review is coming soon.

  • Snapdragon 808 is not a better choice than the 810, it’s equally bad at best. Yes, it heats up less than the 810, but it doesn’t support DDR4 RAM which Galaxy S6, HTC One M9, Xperia Z3+ all have, also the GPU is abysmal, it’s weaker than the Adreno 420 in Snapdragon 805 (last year’s chipset!!), which wasn’t exactly a standard setter even in late 2014 when it launched.

  • HAWX

    And what does DDR4 RAM do? And 64 bit? They are mostly used for marketing. Go make a deep research about them.
    808 is no better than 810. Looking to spesifications, I could say that too. But I know a word that’s one of the most important key in electronics and also big factor why Apple is Apple today, Stability.

  • HAWX

    Hah. Nice. But I already know that already and even those numbers are not that in depth. For example when you quit gaming when the CPU on the Z3 is throttled you don’t get that much web browsing time. And Don’t foget that 6+ have bigger screeen an that effects battery life considerably. And you are missing the whole point.

    IF a processor is outperforming a processor with 1.3 GHz higher clocked CPU with 2 less cores; in gaming , long time stable gaming, faster touch response without slowing down thus providing better feel and without need to be rebooted for weeks, EVEN with the same battery mAh, there is no discussion about the efficiency.

    Android is pushing hard. Apple doesn’t need to that much. And that’s why they are already making much money.

    Android Apple Microsoft. The common thing? America. All of them are covering each other’s weakness on purpose. And no, they are not rivals. Instead their existance is making each of them more powerful. It would be nice to see a true rival..

  • HAWX

    And I don’t think you know much about Cern.
    Oh and please get raged and copy Wikipedia and paste here and say I know Cern..

  • Abhinav Tella

    It would be a PR disaster. Remember the horrible nVidia FX5800/5900 GPUs from a decade a go? They overheated so badly and performance was pretty bad as well but Nvidia didn’t really acknowledge it as it was their high end device for that year and a severe loss of sales would have been pretty bad. They then came out with the capable 6 series after that disaster. The SD820 is Qualcomm’s way out of this mess, reports say that in preliminary tests it runs even cooler than the SD800/801.

  • Why are you side tracking? Stick to the point. Touch response, gaming performance, whether Apple needs to use technology that looks good on paper, and America have absolutely nothing to do with this.
    The iPhone 6 Plus has a 0.3″ bigger display, which is not enough a difference to make a big impact on battery life. iOS stability and efficiency are a myth since iOS 7 added true multitasking and many other features. Apps crash as much as on Android due to low RAM, and all devices other than 2014 iPhones and iPads have occassional lags (I admit that they have eliminated a lot of lags in the latest iOS 8.3 on my iPad 3 and mini 2). Speaking of iPad mini 2, I bought it for my mother hoping that iOS is as intuitive as they say… nope. She’s frustrated about there being no proper back button and how you can’t buy a book from the Kindle app. Apple’s ecosystem and their restrictive policies have their advantages (for example, a casual user can’t slow down the phone by installing 3 task killers they saw in a clickbait ad because Apple tightly controls the App Store), but they are still very far from perfect, and claiming otherwise won’t change anything.

  • Future-proofing is everything. DDR3 memory works fine on PC, does that mean there’s no need for DDR4? Technology needs to evolve. I am on Apple’s side when it comes to keeping screen size, screen resolution, and CPU core count within reasonable limits, but now that Android manufacturers are forced to push those limits to ridiculous values because of each other, other aspects of the device need to keep up.

  • HAWX

    I love to see the technology is being pushed. But If you use the latest technology from evrery department in a smartphone without putting some engineering on it unlike LG, you will get an expensive prototype that might have serious problems.
    And that’s why you and I am here today.

  • Considering that Snapdragon 808 failed to deliver on its promise of power efficiency, I’d honestly rather have an overheating “prototype” Snapdragon 810 and its extra GPU and RAM oomph. So in my eyes, LG made a choice just as wrong as those who adopted Snapdragon 810. Even Snapdragon 805 would have been a better choice.

  • HAWX

    :) Because you come to the point what I’ve said. Apple is more stable but it doesn’t provide Android’s flexibility, custimization and practical ecosystem (when you get used to). And I think Apple doesn’t provide these custimization options, at least addtionaly, on purpose. Android covers where Apple lacks and vice versa. And yeah, claiming these things for America is about people’s own vision and I respect If people agree or disagree.
    And about efficiency, Apple produces are designed to be a little better than it’s competitors. (At least for 3 years.) They design a iPhones to match and the android flagships’ performance using cheaper solutions, and that’s, my friends, engineering. So that you may not see the “effciecy” in efficiency form but in money form ;) And did I need to say smartphones are produced for simply money no1 in mind by the manufacturers? :)
    BTW where did I said Apple products are perfect :? I don’t like their products because they does not provide flexibility I want, but that’s another topic..

  • HAWX

    “Sad thing is If they use 805 and priced it a little lower I might have been thinking to buy it :( But now, a big No to 810. Ofcourse it is better it some area but compared to it’s price and problems, no.” that was my reply to Vuyo Ncube above. But If you select the 810 for a higher price, I respect your opinion as well.

  • Mathias Cronqvist

    Speaking of Wikipedia, you might want to look up the definition of law in the realm of physics.

  • Carljn

    There is absolutely no reason to upgrade from your Z3. That’s an amazing phone! I’d even wait for the Z5+ or Z6 if I were you.
    I, however, am upgrading from a Z1 and the Z3+ is offered at the same monthly price as the Z3 by my carrier. I would choose the Z3+, if not for the slightly faster CPU and GPU, for the increased WiFi-speed, the sleeker design with less flaps, the faster LTE and the better front facing camera.

  • Abhinav Tella

    Apparently in the S810 all cores within a A57/A53 cluster must run at same frequency unlike before. Maybe that is the reason for the heat issues? I wonder if that will change in the SD820.

  • Damo Conti

    One plus one have spoken to help fix overheating issues that’s why the s810 they get are v2 not v1. Personally I’ll wait for the snapdragon 820 if the performance diffetence between reference arm cores and Qualcomm krait core the 820 looks like it would be a shithot soc

  • Gadget Lover

    I know that was a preview. But still the quality of their review is questionable.

  • Abhinav Tella

    According to Sony’s own sites comparing the Z3 and Z3+ battery life:

    Z3 -> 2 Days Battery Life / 130 Hours Music / 10 Hours Video
    Z3+ -> 2 Days Battery Life / 96 Hours Music / 9+ Hours Video

    Seems like downgrade to me….. in battery life as well, other than the S810 throttling issues. I guess the S810 is not efficient enough to cover the 160mAh loss in battery capacity.

    Sources:
    http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-z3-plus/
    http://www.sonymobile.com/global-en/products/phones/xperia-z3/

  • Well as I said, it’s no secret that they’re sponsored by Samsung.

  • Jecht_Sin

    The only time they broke the laws of physics has been when they miscalculated the speed of the neutrinos. lol

  • Mateusz Wojtkiewicz

    I want a new camera, 64GB of built-in storage and bigger battery. And get that fucking 810 chip out of there. Hopefully the Z5 won’t be as dissapointing.

  • May Czos

    There are also heat issues with SD615 with no A57 cores. SD810 doesn’t overheat while using A53 cores.

  • Phil

    Agreed SD 820 or better and 5.5inch screen. Definitely time for new camera sensor.

  • Sure, i’d buy one if I needed a new phone right now.

    The 810 can encode and decode x265/HEVC and has both ram and gpu that is almost twice as fast as the 801.

    Heat, yeah, but 99.9% of the time the device will not run att 100% cpu utilization, guess it might lose a little performance if under heavy usage while charging. A good battery will handle it, guessing sony is careful to use only the best since it cant be changed easily.

  • Andy Smith

    Its not the 810 chipset that puts me off, its the Sony version of Android 5. IF it came with Android 4.4.4 I would consider it. I hope they do a better job of implementing Android 5.1.1.

  • iosvsios

    Now if they had used the SD805, these blog post comments would be filled with angry comments that Sony is using outdated CPUs from last year and aren’t forward-looking etc etc etc…

  • emailo

    The Snapdragon processor 810 keeps on talking to him, If he provides very solid performance in smartphones and tablets, they are also associated with a rise of temperature.

  • Adhito

    Well I just hope the next “Steve Jobs ” would appear in the next few decades, and revolunize all smartphone line just like when the iPhone 4S first came out, instead making incremental upgrade and saying that was a new phone

  • Jatin Sadana

    Keep hoping, the next big thing is already here!

  • Adhito

    Media review about Sony last Xperia Z3 was like,boooo ur SoC is only 801 therefore it’s slower other phone have 805 well actually not in real-time performance

    Then, hey guys we have the latest 810, but it overheat but who care since it’s “810” not 808 therefore it’s faster haha lol

    Seriously guys don’t buy phone based on benchmark but on your own needs and just because ur friends tell a good phone, then go research about it or ask a local store to try one and if it fit then buy one if it don’t search for another phone

    I’m just gonna stick to iphone till this Quallcom problem done

  • TheMikeAndOnlyMike

    Snapdragon is being slammed for the 810 processor because it overheats. I have the Sony Xperia Z3+ and i use it a lot. It does get hot when doing a lot of browsing or playing a graphic intensive game but it doens’t shut down on me because of those. The camera app seems to be where the major heating issues occur. Normal recording and photos don’t cause it to shut down all the time but the AR effectts and 4k video definitely cause it to overheat to the point that it shuts down the camera app in order to cool down. Honestly, overall, I am not complaining. Every phone I have had (iPhone, iPhone 4 and iPhone 5), have all gotten warmer with heavy use, not quite as hot as my Xperia but i’m not bashing Sony for it. At least, Sony has acknowledged that there is an issue and is trying to resolve it. Qualcomm on the other hand is denying everything regarding it’s chipset. Shame on Qualcomm!

    Also, I feel everyone who does reviews is really giving Sony a hard time. Is it because of the expectation of Sony as an Innnovator over a 30-40 year period, resulting in reviewers criticizing the brand for not creating a flawless product. It’s really unfortunate because in all honesty Sony makes a great phone despite having to focus on profits and treading softly in a competitive market. They are still developing very innovative technologies within the company, they are simply not releasing anything and everything they make anymore to prevent losing more money.

    If you do your research correctly and dont just let google show you trending articles regarding a product, you’ll find that many Samsung S6 users are also complaining about heating issues when multi-tasking, playing graphically intensive games and while the phone is charging. But no, these aren’t the headlines that google presents to us because Samsung sells so many phones that there are enough satisfied users to outshine the unsatisfied users.

    Sony on the other hand, doesn’t have as large a user base and thus we tend to find reviews that are negative and positive, as i have come to notice. The number of negative reviewers and positive reviewers is about the same. Which tells me that there are probably a lot more happy customers than the internet has us believe because like a stated before, unhappy customers almost always write up reviews while happy customers almost never write a review.

    You may or may not believe it but Samsung does have a lot of unsatisfied customers despite and they do write reviews. However, with such a large number of users there are enough happy customers who have chosen to write a review to outshine negative reviewers. So in turn, google tends to show us positives when we search Galaxy S6.

    Right now, Sony needs to make sure their phones and other products are good enough to take a little marketshare and bring back profits. Unfortunately, that means they won’t be providing us with their latest and greatest technology like the used because if they did than they would lose more money. Now perhaps they could just charge a high premium for these products but they can’t do that anymore because of economic change and a change in what consumers want. Consumers now prefer passable quality at a very cheap price. Today Sony is still creating technology to keep up or get a little ahead of their competition. They may not own the market but they still sell high quality, reliable products that should last longer than their compeition.

    There was a time Sony didn’t care about profit margins because profits weren’t an issue. Hence, PS3 production cost was about $800 but they were sellling them for $600. This was cause Sony was putting the best of the best that they had into its Playstation. They did this with a lot of products, some broke even, others had small margins of profit, while other products brought them huge profits. They would sell products that were so creative and out of this world even if the product didn’t make them much money it was okay because as a whole profits were still flowing in from their TVs, computers, walkmans, etc. It’s not that Sony’s technology sucks its that their business model began to fail when the global economy went down that caused their decline in the market. In a weak economy, Sony should have responded more quickly to the economic change and stopped producing products that consumers didn’t necessarily need because even though these gadgets were cool, no one could afford the extra expense. The business model is what failed at Sony not the products. Even today, when Sony’s business isn’t doing well they still make high quality, reliable products. And if Sony is able to stage a comeback over the next 5-10 years I believe that their products will once again show just how far ahead they actually are in technology compared to Samsung and other competitors.

    Honestly, what has Samsung really brought to innovation in the tech age? They haven’t really brought us a revolutionary product that changed the way we work or do anything. They have simply copied and reinvented. I can’t name a single product that Samsung has created that was a game changer.

    Apple has, McIntosh, iPod, iPhone and iPad. Sure Microsoft wont the Personal Computer War but Apple brought the first real usable personal computer with the McIntosh. iPod wasn’t the first MP3 player but it changed how digital music players delivered music to its users with iTunes as a great companion. It was the MP3 made easy. iPhone was’t necessarily the first phone that could do a lot of different things but it was the first Smartphone that focused on usability, functionality, compactness and most importantly human intuition. The iPad, its not the first tablet but it worked. I can’t say that it was as revolutionary as the iPod or iPhone because i definitely think that there were tablet out there that worked better. But it still changed how most people work, NO MORE LAPTOPS!

    Sony brought us the radio transistor, walkman, trinitron tvs, CDs, BluRay, Playstation. Those are the well known technologies. Sony also created the first OLED tv back in 2008. Sony also introduced flexible OLED screens back in 2008 almost 5 years before Samsung and LG introduced the idea in 2013. They create some the best image sensors in the world. Their image sensors are being used for medical purposes. They even have a line of OLED monitors, called the Trimaster Series, that are being used in Medical Hospitals to perform intensive detail oriented surgeries, where minute details matter most. Quantum Dot technology that Samsung claims to be their innovation was brought into the consumer world first by Sony, known as their Triluminous technology. The Bravia Engines for their latest televisions are critically acclaimed and considered to be the best. Local Dimming LED TVs was first shown to the industry by Sony. Sony has even developed a 2098 ppi OLED screen for smartphones, though not yet released into their products, its the highest pixel density of any OLED screen, 4x higher than Samsung’s current best of about 560 ppi on the S6. I’m sure their are plenty more innovations that are under R&D at Sony. They just don’t realize anything and everything anymore due to profits. If Sony decided to just put all their best technology into their Phones right now, without thinking considering their margins, Sony would disappear into an abyss and never comeback to bring us consumers their great products and a true innovator will be lost forever. Don’t let Samsung push out Sony like what they did to Pioneer. (Look up Pioneer Sues Samsung over Plasma TV patents and read the details as to why Pioneer had to close up shop despite winning the case). Samsung is a copycat, enough said. There are too many claims towards them for patent infringement that they are destroying the consumer electronics marketplace. Samsung doesn’t truly innnovate, They just renovate or reinvent. If, Sony and other truly innovative companies fall, consumer technology will slow and stagnate, it some ways it already has. As Samsung continues to steal ideas, they push out the companies who they steal ideas from leaving them with no more ideas to steal.

    You can call me a Sony d***rider/fanboy if you want but i believe in a company that has almost no marketing whatsoever. I believe in a company who to this day still makes great products. I believe in a company who’s innovations are so far ahead of everyone else that others feel the need to steal Sony’s ideas and claim them as their own.

    In all honesty, its more likely that you are a Samsung d***rider as you have fallen for Samsung’s marketing tactics. That is if you like Samsung and think that they’re “innovative.”

    Now, if you think that i am saying Samsung products suck, that isn’t what i am saying at all. They do make a good product. All the marketing in the world can’t sell a product that is complete garbage. What I am saying is that they don’t make the best product and that they copy/steal other ideas. They sell based on marketed gimmicks (eye scroll, video pause when you look away, gesture controls…all of these features are cool but aren’t nearly as useful as they market them to be. Half the time they don’t even work properly) and they try to sell you on big statistical numbers like Pixels Per Inch and Megapixels. This has forced the market to push for technical specs instead of focusing on creating powerful video/audio processors/engines and image sensors. Hence, Nokia made a 40 megapixel phone that is complete garbage. And other cell phones makers have pushed for higher pixel density displays instead of focusing on the video engine that processes the image source and displays it on the screen.

    At the end of the day, I am just trying to convey that we need to support true innovators. Because without them, technology will either stagnate or progress at a slower rate.

    SONY FTW!!!!

  • TheMikeAndOnlyMike

    Snapdragon is being slammed for the 810 processor because it overheats. I have the Sony Xperia Z3+ and i use it a lot. It does get hot when doing a lot of browsing or playing a graphic intensive game but it doens’t shut down on me because of those. The camera app seems to be where the major heating issues occur. Normal recording and photos don’t cause it to shut down all the time but the AR effectts and 4k video definitely cause it to overheat to the point that it shuts down the camera app in order to cool down. Honestly, overall, I am not complaining. Every phone I have had (iPhone, iPhone 4 and iPhone 5), have all gotten warmer with heavy use, not quite as hot as my Xperia but i’m not bashing Sony for it. At least, Sony has acknowledged that there is an issue and is trying to resolve it. Qualcomm on the other hand is denying everything regarding it’s chipset. Shame on Qualcomm!

    Also, I feel everyone who does reviews is really giving Sony a hard time. Is it because of the expectation of Sony as an Innnovator over a 30-40 year period, resulting in reviewers criticizing the brand for not creating a flawless product. It’s really unfortunate because in all honesty Sony makes a great phone despite having to focus on profits and treading softly in a competitive market. They are still developing very innovative technologies within the company, they are simply not releasing anything and everything they make anymore to prevent losing more money. More on all the economics of that ahead.

    If you do your research correctly and dont just let google show you trending articles regarding a product, you’ll find that many Samsung S6 users are also complaining about heating issues when multi-tasking, playing graphically intensive games and while the phone is charging. But no, these aren’t the headlines that google presents to us because Samsung sells so many phones that there are enough satisfied users to outshine the unsatisfied users.

    Sony on the other hand, doesn’t have as large a user base and thus we tend to find reviews that are negative and positive, as i have come to notice. The number of negative reviewers and positive reviewers is about the same. Which tells me that there are probably a lot more happy customers than the internet has us believe because like a stated before, unhappy customers almost always write up reviews while happy customers almost never write a review.

    You may or may not believe it but Samsung does have a lot of unsatisfied customers despite and they do write reviews. However, with such a large number of users there are enough happy customers who have chosen to write a review to outshine negative reviewers. So in turn, google tends to show us positives when we search Galaxy S6.

    Right now, Sony needs to make sure their phones and other products are good enough to take a little marketshare and bring back profits. Unfortunately, that means they won’t be providing us with their latest and greatest technology like the used because if they did than they would lose more money. Now perhaps they could just charge a high premium for these products but they can’t do that anymore because of economic change and a change in what consumers want. Consumers now prefer passable quality at a very cheap price. Today Sony is still creating technology to keep up or get a little ahead of their competition. They may not own the market but they still sell high quality, reliable products that should last longer than their compeition.

    There was a time Sony didn’t care about profit margins because profits weren’t an issue. Hence, PS3 production cost was about $800 but they were sellling them for $600. This was cause Sony was putting the best of the best that they had into its Playstation. They did this with a lot of products, some broke even, others had small margins of profit, while other products brought them huge profits. They would sell products that were so creative and out of this world even if the product didn’t make them much money it was okay because as a whole profits were still flowing in from their TVs, computers, walkmans, etc. It’s not that Sony’s technology sucks its that their business model began to fail when the global economy went down that caused their decline in the market. In a weak economy, Sony should have responded more quickly to the economic change and stopped producing products that consumers didn’t necessarily need because even though these gadgets were cool, no one could afford the extra expense. The business model is what failed at Sony not the products. Even today, when Sony’s business isn’t doing well they still make high quality, reliable products. And if Sony is able to stage a comeback over the next 5-10 years I believe that their products will once again show just how far ahead they actually are in technology compared to Samsung and other competitors.

    Honestly, what has Samsung really brought to innovation in the tech age? They haven’t really brought us a revolutionary product that changed the way we work or do anything. They have simply copied and reinvented. I can’t name a single product that Samsung has created that was a game changer.

    Apple has, McIntosh, iPod, iPhone and iPad. Sure Microsoft wont the Personal Computer War but Apple brought the first real usable personal computer with the McIntosh. iPod wasn’t the first MP3 player but it changed how digital music players delivered music to its users with iTunes as a great companion. It was the MP3 made easy. iPhone was’t necessarily the first phone that could do a lot of different things but it was the first Smartphone that focused on usability, functionality, compactness and most importantly human intuition. The iPad, its not the first tablet but it worked. I can’t say that it was as revolutionary as the iPod or iPhone because i definitely think that there were tablet out there that worked better. But it still changed how most people work, NO MORE LAPTOPS!

    Sony brought us the radio transistor, walkman, trinitron tvs, CDs, BluRay, Playstation. Those are the well known technologies. Sony also created the first OLED tv back in 2008. Sony also introduced flexible OLED screens back in 2008 almost 5 years before Samsung and LG introduced the idea in 2013. They create some the best image sensors in the world. Their image sensors are being used for medical purposes. They even have a line of OLED monitors, called the Trimaster Series, that are being used in Medical Hospitals to perform intensive detail oriented surgeries, where minute details matter most. Quantum Dot technology that Samsung claims to be their innovation was brought into the consumer world first by Sony, known as their Triluminous technology. The Bravia Engines for their latest televisions are critically acclaimed and considered to be the best. Local Dimming LED TVs was first shown to the industry by Sony. Sony has even developed a 2098 ppi OLED display for smartphones, though not yet released into their products, its the highest pixel density of any OLED screen, 4x higher than Samsung’s current best of about 560 ppi on the S6. Sony is known for great Displays, what company is better suited than they are. NO ONE! They make the best image sensors, they are involved in the Hollywood film industry, which means they know how a film should be represented on a TV. And most film studios use Sony recording equipment with Theaters/Cinemas using Sony 4k Theater Projectors. Everything involved with Media production, development and delivery to consumers its pretty Sony based. I’m sure their are plenty more innovations that are under R&D at Sony. They just don’t release anything and everything anymore due to margins as they work to turn around the business. If Sony decided to just put all their best technology into their Phones right now, without considering their margins, Sony would lose too much money and disappear into an abyss and never comeback to bring us consumers, their great products. And a true innovator will be lost forever. Don’t let Samsung push out Sony like what they did to Pioneer. (Look up Pioneer Sues Samsung over Plasma TV patents and read the details as to why Pioneer had to close up shop despite winning the case). Samsung is a copycat, enough said. There are too many claims towards them for patent infringement that they are destroying the consumer electronics marketplace. Samsung doesn’t truly innovate, they just renovate or reinvent. If, Sony and other truly innovative companies fall, consumer technology will slow and stagnate, in some ways it already has. As Samsung continues to steal ideas, they push out the companies they steal ideas from leaving them with no more ideas to steal.

    You can call me a Sony d***rider/fanboy if you want but i believe in a company that has almost no marketing whatsoever. I believe in a company who to this day still makes great products. I believe in a company who’s innovations are so far ahead of everyone else that others feel the need to steal Sony’s ideas and claim them as their own.

    In all honesty, its more likely that you are a Samsung d***rider as you have fallen for Samsung’s marketing tactics. That is if you like Samsung and think that they’re “innovative.”

    Now, if you think that i am saying Samsung products suck, that isn’t what i am saying at all. They do make a good product. All the marketing in the world can’t sell a product that is complete garbage. What I am saying is that they don’t make the best product and that they copy/steal other ideas. They sell based on marketed gimmicks (eye scroll, video pause when you look away, gesture controls…all of these features are cool but aren’t nearly as useful as they market them to be. Half the time they don’t even work properly) and they try to sell you on big statistical numbers like Pixels Per Inch and Megapixels. This has forced the market to push for technical specs instead of focusing on creating powerful video/audio processors/engines and image sensors. Hence, Nokia made a 40 megapixel phone that is complete garbage. And other cell phones makers have pushed for higher pixel density displays instead of focusing on the video engine that processes the image source and displays it on the screen.

    At the end of the day, I am just trying to convey that we need to support true innovators. Because without them, technology will either stagnate or progress at a slower rate.

    SONY FTW!!!!

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