Sony Mobile US points to ‘external factors’ on fingerprint sensor exclusion

by XB on 28th February 2017

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Sony’s fingerprint sensor power button was first introduced back in the Xperia Z5 range. Despite this, for some inexplicable reason, Sony has had to disable the fingerprint in models sold in the USA. Sony has never given any clarity on why this might be the case, apart from being a “business decision”.

Well, now a few more snippets were revealed to Android Central, which give a bit more colour on the decision. Don Mesa, Head of Sony Mobile Marketing North America said that “there are a lot of external and internal factors that contribute to us making a conscious decision not to include [the fingerprint sensor].”

When pressed further, Don Mesa said that the fingerprint sensor exclusion was Sony “consciously deciding that we want to continue our business here [in the U.S.], and [that’s] one of the conditions for us to be able to do business.”

What this ‘external’ factor was remains a mystery, but Android Central speculates that this could be a time limited exclusion in relation to its previous failed efforts to offer phones through US carriers and eventually deciding to head down the unlocked route.

Both the Xperia XZ Premium and XZs will also have the fingerprint sensor disabled, but this is only a software limitation. As previously reported, all other Xperia phones with the fingerprint sensor have been able to re-enable the fingerprint simply by flashing a different regions firmware. We expect it will be no different for the Xperia XZ Premium and Xperia XZs.

Via Android Central.

  • External factor remains a mystery?
    Is it the CIA or NSA? Sony speak up!

  • dragonsneeze

    Bad, bad carriers. >:(

  • Akshay Persad

    I read somewhere that HP holds the patent for fingerprint scanner on a power button and if Sony does that in the US, HP would want to sue them.

  • Petrohead

    It’s the patent issue that HP own. Akshay is correct. There’s no big secret, it’s been like this for 2 years.

  • RockStar2005

    Yes that is correct. I don’t know about sue, but Sony COULD just pay the licensing fee I’m sure to have the feature enabled on the U.S. Xperias, but they choose not to. Yet, they charge like $800 for their phones. So basically, they’re cheap. lol

  • RockStar2005

    Yes that is correct. I don’t know about sue, but Sony COULD just pay the licensing fee I’m sure to have the feature enabled on the U.S. Xperias, but they choose not to. Yet, they charge like $800 for their phones. So basically, they’re cheap! LOL

  • ryq24

    Sony have a Mobile Marketing division?

  • Svnjay

    All divisions have a marketing department.

  • KenC17

    It’s sarcasm…because it’s nearly non-existent…

  • Toh Ler Kang

    It’s kinda off topic, but what’s the difference between timeshift burst and predictive focus? Personally think that both of them share the same function.

  • Sadman Khan

    Timeshift burst takes pictures at like 2MP. That’s the main difference

  • Sadman Khan

    It’s funny how big sites like Xperiablog and GSMarena still don’t know about this patent issue

  • Shamoy Rahman

    They only make $25 a phone so if the licensing fee is $5-10 a phone, it won’t be worth.

  • KenC17

    Umm no they aren’t. Their profit margin is much higher than that. Each device is almost double the production cost. Sony has always kept at least 20% of profit margin price point.

  • They make beautiful videos but don’t ever market them outside of their own YouTube channel. It baffles me lol. I’ve never seen a Sony ad outside of that.

  • Moisés

    Sony advertises a lot in Japan, Thailand, Sweden, Netherlands and Taiwan

  • Shamoy Rahman

    Consider R&D prices too. They do some really expensive R&D and the engineers get paid really high wages ($100,000+) and they have over 5000 employees. With the lower amount of units they sell, we can say they probably make up to $50 a handset, they definitely don’t make over $100 per phone.

  • Luís Alberto Pérez

    US costumers just have to flash a European firmware to activate the fingerprint sensor. Just use flashtool and your problem is solved.

  • rygarto

    Confirmed. USPTO patent US20120019356 filed in 2009:
    A machine including a processor, a power button, a fingerprint scanner coupled on the power button, and an authentication application executable by the processor for comparing a user fingerprint image with a stored fingerprint image.
    https://www.google.com/patents/US20120019356

  • washinma2424

    So Verizon’s punk azz basically put the freeze on Sony and told them that they could not enable the fingerprint feature for a x amount of years. Damn Sony, just damn. LOL

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  • washinma2424

    It is not the patent issue, it is Sony’s failed dealings with Verizon if you do some “deep” research you will find out as I did about it.

  • washinma2424

    ^Exactly^

  • I expected that. Now they need to bring that love to the US. Because without any ads, the public has no perception of how great their phones are and “it’s a Sony” isn’t a term people use anymore.

  • Moisés

    On Android Central people made comments and suspect it is T Mobile.

  • Moisés

    In my country they need do decrease price.
    Xz is still more than US$ 1000. On their website Xzs and Premium are already listed.

  • HAWX

    That’s really, really strange. People chewing same old patent excuse how come about LG G5? ” ” [that’s] one of the conditions for us to be able to do business.” Wut? They got Mafia on their asses?

  • Moisés

    Power button as fingerprint. That’s the issue

  • Alfino Setya

    Which one is the correct reason behind this problem, Patent issue or Shitty carrier? Kinda confused when some peoples have different opinions :

  • Moisés

    Off topic : z3 plus users, how’s nougat so far?

    Something else, since Google brought Marshmallow we all were told Sony, LG and Samsung decided to disable the option to send app to SD card. On my z3 plus some apps still have this option.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/00c6ff458d5dace13755a9834dbbc883a9b2934d737a362225ca44969287a0dc.jpg

  • HAWX

    Read my comment carefully please. See LG G5.

  • Moisés

    Does g5 has power as fingerprint?

  • RockStar2005

    I think you’re both right, but at the same time, Sony needs to advertise more in the U.S. if they wanna really be a presence. They advertise like in Sweden, and there according to my friend, they’re JUST as big as Samsung. Here in the U.S. most ppl don’t even know they make phones still. lol They have to understand that by disabling the fingerprint sensor they’re leaving a bad taste in ppl’s mouths, and that’s the LAST thing they should be doing considering how little business they do here.

    Right now they should be more focused on profits until they start makin’ some REAL money. Then they can worry more about R&D. R&D doesn’t really matter if hardly anyone’s buying your phone. lol That doesn’t mean cut R&D, it just means anything that forces them to charge $800 for a phone needs to go or get cut to some extent.

  • Samar Vaishampayan

    Some kind of “no competition” agreement signed with competitor OR don’t have technology license to use fingerprint tech in USA.

  • Samar Vaishampayan

    I thought so…..See my comment with the guess in right direction.

  • Samar Vaishampayan

    I don’t think anybody will be interested to do business with 25 dollar earning on 1000 dollar value product.

  • Samar Vaishampayan

    U have more profitable business then Sony. Please go and teach them…..

  • Actman

    Not cheap but fu*king cheap! By including the manual shutter control or a lock screen for Z5 family would probably cost them that ‘much’!

  • RockStar2005

    What they need to do is just BITE the bullet for a while, and start 1) Selling their phones CHEAPER at least for a while to entice new customers 2) Start paying that fee so customers don’t get left with a bad taste in their mouths 3) ALSO stop being f’ing cheap & pay for VoLTE/Wi-Fi Calling Certification with T-Mobile on their unlocked phones (which right now is ALL they offer in the U.S. lol) like HTC did for ITS U.S. customers like me http://www.tmonews.com/2016/04/unlocked-htc-10-is-fully-compatible-with-t-mobile-including-volte-and-wi-fi-calling/ (I sold my X Perf for the 10, and this was one of my reasons) 4) Start advertising more! MOST ppl aren’t gonna buy a phone they’ve never heard of. Yes, Sony makes phones, but most ppl don’t even know that here. So they still hesitate. 5) Plus by no longer selling via U.S. carriers, they have MUCH LESS exposure. 6) Keep releasing great innovative phones. 7) Stop being so stingy (aka f’ing cheap! lol) with the battery sizes and go back to the Z series era of great battery life!

    BAM!! lol

  • Quentin Grs

    We have some ads here in France

  • MrWalker1000

    im fucking die bro.

    people need to chill… the XZ premium is moping the floor with the competition nothing comes close with it. Also, just buy the damn international version if its such a big issue. heck I know lots of people with fingerprint scanners who don’t use them because its unreliable as fuck.

    Sony’s main problem like rockstar mentioned, is people not knowing they make phones. The only thing US consumers know about sony is playstation and maybe DSLR if you remind them of that. outside of that they know jack shit about sony.

    Also, it could be that people in sweden are just more intelligent xd.

  • MrWalker1000

    heh now it makes sense why I saw pewdipie with a sony phone.

    But yeah marketing is important. you can make the best product in the world but if nobody knows about it nobody will buy it.

  • MrWalker1000

    whats verizon gota do with it? when there are other carriers.

  • MrWalker1000

    its either patent laws are bullsht here in the US or apple and samsung doing some serious work trying to shut down competition.

  • webuser.my

    That is IF HP decides to license it to Sony. And it is up to HP how much they would want to charge for that license as well.

  • RockStar2005

    Why wouldn’t they? They don’t even make phones. lol They’d be f’ing morons not to. Their computers and printers suck, might as well make SOME money off Sony Xperias. lol

  • Actman

    Check the fact out that there are plenty smartphones in US market which comes with a fingerprint sensor. So are you telling us that HP exempted them (other competitors) from the fees as well or would have been giving them a huge discount rate?

  • Khillo81

    Nope

  • webuser.my

    HP’s patent specified for a fingerprint sensor that is also a power button.

    Name me one other Manufacturer out there where the fingerprint sensor is also the power button.

    Apple/Samsung etc. all has separate power button. The fingerprint sensor is on the home button instead.

  • Khillo81

    Well, everyone else is smarter than the Americans :P

  • bigshynepo

    Thank you for providing this, now I finally know the reason.

  • ew210

    here is one : LG V10 .. I heard there are few other too but can’t remember now , sorry… I also heard that is some bad deal actually that SONY made with carriers before which is preventing SONY now to launch phone in US market with fingerprint sensor ….

  • ew210

    LG V10 has same type of fingerprint scaner .. I heard there are few other phones too but can’t remember those now , sorry… I also heard that is some bad deal actually that SONY made with carriers before which is preventing SONY now to launch phone in US market with fingerprint sensor ….

  • Moisés

    The story might be about a patent of a power button as fingerprint scanner that would belong to HP.
    If it is true and Sony decided to pay for it, the devices might get more expensive enough to keep Sony away from USA.

  • ew210
  • ew210

    yes and so does V10 , it’s not a patent issue, but bad dealings SONY had with US carriers .

  • washinma2424

    Interesting, I read that it was the canceled lunch of the Xperia Z4v for Verizon. What was said that Verizon did not want Sony making a similar phone for “other” carriers with the Xperia Z3v and as we all know they went on to make one for T-mobile. But it could of been the other way around I suppose.

  • washinma2424

    I agree 100% cause that is exactly what I am doing. (LOL)

  • RockStar2005

    Yeah but I read the HP patent is specifically for when the Power button is on the SIDE and has the fingerprint sensor embedded in it. LG’s is on the back of the phone.

    I dunno about a bad. What I DO know is b/c Sony fails to see the importance of ADVERTISING IN THE U.S., most ppl I know don’t even know Sony MAKES phones. And the way I see it, most ppl don’t buy phones that they haven’t heard of, even if the company is familiar. lol Sony thinks they can be profitable with just unlocked phones. MAYBE, but I saw a chart recently that showed how many phones they sold via T-Mobile (and that’s just ONE carrier!) and also how many they sold since going unlocked-only. Via T-Mobile they sold WAYYY more phones. They need to quit screwin’ around. And make commercials ppl remember. Not those forgettable ones I see on YouTube all the time. Only good one was the dog one.

    I doubt it man. EVERY other phone manufacturer at this point has that feature, so why would be it any different for Sony? I just don’t buy it. After being a huge Sony fan, I left and went back again to HTC with the 10 a month ago (had the One M8 3 years ago too). So much less BS, and still pretty much an equally (in some cases BETTER like with battery life and ESP audio!) great phone with the same easy of use and great features (double-tap to wake, auto answer/smart call handling, etc) as the Sony Xperias offer.

  • Cgold

    Nextbit Robin also has the fingerprint sensor in the power button.

  • Abhi

    No it has to do with a carrier exclusivity deal, probably with Verizon.

  • Abhi

    It’s related to a carrier exclusivity deal with Sony, probably Verizon. Though they no longer make carrier phones in the US the, agreement still holds.

  • ew210

    I saw that patent and it has nothing to do where the fingerprint scanner is placed on the side, back or front … it doesn’t mater ! it only maters if the fingerprint scanner is in the power button .

    here is that patent https://www.google.com/patents/US20120019356

    and as you can see there is no LG here : https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3946047d4bbb0c340a149087772ea41affaec91dc59c66808ff3b3ac70a5dcb5.png

  • ew210

    nope that’s not it , stop spreading nonsense and baseless rumors .

  • ew210

    did you now that Microsoft earns 5-15 $ per sold android phone just due to the patent for formatting SD cards (standard FAT file system) They likely make at least $2 billion per year from Android alone.

    most smartphone manufacturers earn around $20 per sold phone while SONY earns around $25 ( one of the highest earnings in android realm) , while Apple earns $120-130 for one sold iPone and yes that is why they don’t have expandable storage , they don’t want to pay Microsoft for patents…

  • ew210

    one thing is for sure , it’s not that stupid patent which HP holds , I proved that , read my two comments above in reply to RockStar2005 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c0034470da04cbb559c0b61442f8231ecfcefeb5b75e49c2107c04371ade0e8.png

  • webuser.my

    I stand corrected. Interesting.

  • RockStar2005

    Ok………that still sounds right. I knew it had more to do with the fact that it’s EMBEDDED WITHIN the Power button, but wasn’t sure if placement/location was part of it or not. Thank you for clarifying that ew210!!

  • ew210

    ” They got Mafia on their asses? ” I’m not from US but how I see it US mobile carriers are worse than Mafia ….

  • MrWalker1000

    the thing though is that even tmobile discontinued sony phones.

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  • MGR

    https://www.sonymobile.com/us/products/phones/xperia-xz-premium/specifications/
    https://www.sonymobile.com/us/products/phones/xperia-xzs/specifications/
    I can see the fingerprint sensor is actually listed in the XZP and XZs specification, and these pages are from Sony Mobile US official website…
    Just wondering if the fingerprint sensor is truly disabled, or just a rumor?

  • ew210

    I guess you are from Brazil ? it’s the only place where the XZ might be that expensive …

  • Moisés

    Yes

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  • Yuen Lui

    I think Sony doesn’t foresee any sales boost if they pay for the patent and get the fingerprint sensor enabled. Me either

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  • RockStar2005

    Well that’s why they fail. They have no balls. lol

    Why does Samsung succeed here in the U.S. so much more than Sony Mobile does? It’s because although Sony makes better phones overall IMO, Samsung doesn’t pull sh*t like this with people. Also, Samsung ADVERTISES but Sony doesn’t, so even though ppl here in the U.S. know Sony, most are clueless to the idea that they make smartphones. And people won’t typically buy what they don’t know or haven’t heard about. Part of that exposure comes from carrier involvement, which now Sony has NONE of here.

    I know a girl in Sweden who told me that there, Sony is JUST as popular (if not more so) as Samsung is. Guess what Sony does there?? Big shocker: THEY F’ING ADVERTISE!!! lol Billboards, TV ads, etc. They need to be more aggressive, but instead they’re just being evasive and cowardly. They could be the KING here, but instead they keep f’ing up with their late releases and f’d up ideology. My XP I sold’s battery was crap. This was a major selling point for Sony in the past with the Z series (I had the Z3 before). They were the kings of battery life, now their battery life is the worst! And for audio……….they were on top for a lil while there with the Z3, but now with phones like the HTC 10 (my current phone) and the LG V20, Sony no longer reigns there either. Only great thing about their phones lately (aside from sweet premium looks) is the camera. Unfortunately that wasn’t enough to keep me as my HTC 10’s camera is DAMN close at this point (after 3 major updates) to what my XP was producing.

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