The Persistent Google Search Bar on the Xperia Z3 can be slightly baffling

by XB on 6th October 2014

in Xperia Z3 series


Xperia Persistent Search_2Sony introduced a persistent Google search bar at the top of its home screen in the Xperia Z3 and Xperia Z3 Compact. There are some people who might want to get some real estate back from this bar, especially if you don’t use the bar that often.

However, if you think you can just remove the search bar and get a ‘normal’ home screen then you’d be wrong. Yes the search bar can be removed, but you still won’t be able to use that space for apps or widgets. The annoying part is that if you do decide to remove the search bar, the only way of restoring it is by resetting you home screen to its default state. Therefore, think carefully before you remove it.

Persistent Google Search bar on the Xperia Home Launcher

Sony’s home launcher for the Xperia Z3 and Xperia Z3 Compact has a persistent search bar at the top of each home screen. You can see from the picture below that the bar (top) differs slightly from the Google Search widget (bottom).

Xperia Persistent Search_1

To remove the search bar, you simply need to long press the bar which will reveal the following pop-up notification. One of the biggest issues that people have is not reading the notice properly. Once you have removed the search bar, there are no prompts to bring it back unless you follow the below instructions. Most people remove it and then can’t figure out how to bring it back!

Xperia Persistent Search_2

Tick the box to remove the search bar. Do note that if you remove the search bar, you can only bring the search bar back by going back to a default home screen configuration. This will mean having to customise your home screen once again to how you like it.

Xperia Persistent Search_3

The slightly frustrating part is that once the persistent Google search bar has been removed from the home screen, you cannot use this space for any apps or widgets. You can see from the pictures below the area available which can be used. This still allows a row of four apps as in previous Xperia home launchers.

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To reinstate the “Search bar visibility” on your home screen, simply go to Settings > Apps. Swipe over to “All” and find “Xperia Home”. Now click on “Clear data”. When you do this the persistent search bar will be back.

[Note: When you reinstate the search bar, the home screen will return to its default state which means you will have to set up the home screen how you like it from scratch.]

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  • Felix

    Yet another reason to use a proper launcher like Nova

  • Rene Pedroso

    No worries, my home screen is simple

  • Seems like they’re following Google’s new guidelines or something along these lines?

  • Dmitry Perets

    Sony keeps ruining its great UI systematically, step by step :( and it is very VERY sad. What is this ugly X instead of the recycle bin? What are those ugly fonts and huge icons? It was just muche better… And there is no place even to provide user’s feedback…

  • blurb8

    Really? Who cares…

  • DBS

    I removed it and I couldn’t care less, honestly. I neither use that top space nor the search bar.

  • The persistent search bar is definitely a head scratcher, but I’m digging the photos and videos widget that comes with Xperia Home, it flows. I just wish gestures were available, I’m so used to swiping up to open my apps drawer and down to pull down my notification bar. I’m currently using a workaround, but it’d be nice if the Xperia launcher were a bit more customizable in this regard.

    I’m not a fan of Nova/Apex/Trebuchet launcher and the only other one I would consider is ADW, but then I’d lose that awesome widget I mentioned above.

  • Carljn

    I like the X. Feels cleaner.
    I agree with the large icons though. Four on each row? Works well for the compacts maybe but at 1080p and 5″+ there should be at least 5, maybe 6 per row.
    The Z Ultra did a great job of using the fu display.

  • Tajhric fox

    ummm u do know that stock android is EXACTLY like that? bigger icons and persistant bar..Sony is just making their UI closer to stock android than anyone else with a little sony flair

  • paul_cus

    Bummer that the space can’t be used, but at least the bar can be killed.

  • paul4id

    Yes and worse. I hate this assumption that just because Google does something in a certain way that it is automatically better. Often that has not been the case at all.

  • paul4id

    This is a major regression. I always want my phones as Google-free as possible, and Sony should grow a pair and stop capitulating to Google.

    I really hate there being a Google bar on my home screen, especially when you can just swipe up from the home button to get the same thing.

    The bin was also better than the X and Google’s agree icons and widget spacing are horrible in newest Android versions.

  • HardyHarHar

    Things like this happen because…

    Users: Such a crappy slow UI they should stick as stock as possible!
    Manufacturer: We are trying to give you the best user experience and make your phone unique.
    Google: We heard you. We’ll urge the manufacturers to comply with our standards to utilize maximum compatibility of our products.
    Manufacturer: *releases close to stock UI*
    Users: *Insert manufacturer name here* keeps ruining their UI day by day!
    Me: F%$& you split minded people! You’re nothing but complaints. Go buy a freaking iOS!

  • paul4id

    A lot of it is due to stupid reviewers who don’t know what they are talking about. (especially the American ones). The people who hype up Google’s “stock” way of sound things are those who have only really compared it to messes like TouchWiz.

    Look Sony, stand up to Google will you. I don’t want all this Google bloat on my phone unless I say so. I want my phone to be an open platform, not Google’s platform (as they are increasingly trying to proprietarise Android to be.

  • oh my god this was a deal breaker for me as i always remove that bar

  • Chris

    This is just a stupid move!

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  • Bong Abueg

    I do sort of dig the search bar up on top…

  • ZoubIWah

    tbh i remove it and never want it back
    thats the first time i found the google stuff to be too much on the stock phone
    had to remove a bunch of stuff that was all google-placement before it would be useable. Annoyyyyingg..
    then had to also remove the sony stuff haha..

  • ZoubIWah

    well, it feels more standard if its based on Google stuff. doesnt mean its better but really… X vs trash can i dont care very much. both are clear.

  • ZoubIWah

    sony doesnt have a choice btw. they cant ship android without doing so.
    google doesnt care. samsung and nexus are the 2 brands getting the android lion’s share. not sony.

    likewise for US carriers. People blame sony.. like.. you really think sony doesnt want to be on all US carriers or what? Samsung and others pay them carriers for exclusivity. They dont want to see sony there. So its a lot of arguying and what not, and hopefully sony will get it for a few carriers…. HOPEFULLY.
    Even TMO releases them later than europe when they do..

  • ZoubIWah

    the alternative is to not ship android with the google market. is that what you want?
    some (many now) apps outside googles market would also not work

    pretty sure you wouldnt buy a phone without that.

  • Rene Pedroso

    what are you using for your home screen, six icons

  • Dan Vafidis

    it’s a tablet

  • Dan Vafidis

    it’s a matter of tatse, I don’t think they’re ruining everything, I really like the big icons

  • Bong Abueg

    Not a tablet. It’s Xperia Z with PureXZ ROM, based on the Z3 framework. I just changed the ro sf lcd density so it can fit 5 icons per row, 6 on the homescreen launcher :P

  • AsadMulla

    dash clock has a very similar lock screen. check it out on play store

  • Mr P

    Just install Nova launcher and use the default settings. Balance restored. Whole screen usable again

  • Mr P

    I hated those large icons too. made me want to throw up. I installed Nova launcher from the app store and used it with default settings and boom. back to standard smaller icons and full use of the whole screen.

    I’ve never found the need to use a launcher before using the Z3. I had a Z and loved it. Z3 felt like it went backwards a bit.

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  • Dmitry Perets

    Of course I know this. And if I would like the stock Android, I would buy Nexus. Since when being like the stock Android became an undoubtful advantage?

  • Dmitry Perets

    Both are clear, but X is style-less and ugly IMHO. And in general, why fix something that is not broken? Did anybody complain about the can? Did they do a research and found that more people would find X better and switch to Sony? I highly doubt that =)

  • Dmitry Perets

    It also feels more primitive IMHO. And Sony definitely had their own style. But they are losing it and becoming a mixture of Nexus + something-left-from-the-past.

  • Dmitry Perets

    Then they could just make it configurable, just like the font size. I mean… if you had something that people liked, why do you change it without at least asking people? I know many people who praise Sony for the UI. I am one of them, UI is an important thing…

  • Dmitry Perets

    You post is just pointless. Because you say “Users”, but these are different users. I would never complain about Sony UI being not close to the stock UI. Because IMHO stock UI is primitive and much less stylish. So obviously I complain when Sony UI becomes closer to that one. Now the question is: am I the minority among Sony users or not? Unfortunately, we don’t know. Why? Because Sony doesn’t even have an official way to submit user’s feedback. Not to mention official polls, surveys etc.

    As for Google policy – well, obviously they want everybody to be “like Nexus”, because then – guess what – people will go and buy Nexus. It is cheap. It has fine specs. And it is of course the most original EVAH, because it is THE stock Android, while the others are just LIKE stock Android… So… Google has a good marketing guys. Probably better than Sony =)

  • Jack

    It is not EXACTLY like that! I have installed the Google Now launcher on my Z1 and it is way better than Sony’s crap! Sure the icons are a bit bigger but not as big as the Z3’s icons. Sony and all other companies making Android devices don’t have designers and programmers at Google’s level. Samsung, Sony, LG, HTC etc make the UI look more cartoony and confusing. The text font is way better, the add widget and change wallpaper etc are cleaner in Google’s launcher etc. If Sony mess up the notification/quick settings area and on screen buttons on their Android L release, I don’t think I’ll be buying an Xperia device again. Motorola seem to be the only company that gets it. They focus on delivering useful features and quick updates. Only bad thing about Moto highend phones are their specs and no so good cameras. My sister has a Nexus 5 and the system software is so much more polished and cleaner! And what do companies think they are doing with those stupid widgets the put on default. If they have software designers I don’t think they know what clean, not confusing and straight forward mean. Sony must’ve used the best software designers they had on the PS4 OS cause the Xperia ROMs and Vita OS look like crap! Stop wasting money on worsening Android and focus on what matter: Camera, Battery Life, Performance, Updates etc

  • Jack

    I see you are a software designer, have used a Nexus 5 and not a Sony fanboy. Just take a look a what Android phones perform better, the thing that matters and you’ll it’s those that make the least changes to the Android interface! Sony and all other were and are hardware manufactures, NOT software giants! I buy Sony because of their hardware design and hardware specs, not their rubbish software. The only Sony product I buy for its ‘software’ is Playstation and that’s for games not for apps and other features Playstation has!

  • Dan Vafidis

    Yea Id also like to see them make the launcher customizable, and also maybe use a “Sony Icon Pack” I mean they could get some designers so they could make like the MIUI icons etc. but in sony style and yo ucan recognize them when you see a sony smartphone

  • Jack

    Samsung’s market share is dropping. Why? So people have realize their devices don’t perform the best. People who still buy Samsung are people who most likely either still think they do perform the best, either like their cartoony UI, either lover their amoled screens or a combination of these reasons.

  • Dmitry Perets

    So your are just confirming my theory: those who like plain Google UI will not be happy with all the “almost like Google” UIs anyway. And they will go and buy Nexus. And those who actually prefer something that is NOT like Google UI will be disappointed now, because of the “almost like Google” UIs…

  • Jack

    And before the persistent google search bar they had the home page indicator and you could do nothing about it, plus you can’t move items lower, where Google places the home page indicator. The changes companies make are pointless and only add to worsening the experience and the confusion of end users. If people don’t like Google’s launcher they can install one and those can be way better than what any hardware manufacture offers. Problem is people are ignorant and have no idea what launchers are, what Google’s Android is like etc. I’ve meet people that don’t even know how to download some thing, let alone change web browser or launcher on their Android smartphone…

  • Jack

    Install another launcher! They offer tons of customization too! Or do you not know what that is? Or does every change Sony make resonate with your fanboy hart!? I’m most concerned with performance and consistency and Sony doesn’t offer that in any aspect! Sony and other manufactures just make a mess of Android! For example what is that ‘X’ or ‘trash bin icon’ Sony has for removing widgets and icons on the home screen!? It’s suppose to be for removing and the first time I saw it I did even realize it was there because something else is suppose to be there and when I did I wasn’t sure if it would uninstall or remove! Second Sony had the home page indicator dots at the top and you couldn’t use that space and the space where Google has the dots was also unusable! Also their font was pixelated and unclear shadow! Plus the notification area is just wrong! Android never had it perfect but it’s better than Sony’s and on Android L it much better! And if Sony changes the new Android L on screen buttons, they must be high. A lot of people are calling those PS buttons, what else could Sony wish for!?

  • Jack

    Install a launcher from the Play Store!

  • Jack

    Clear!? You have no idea how unclear both are! Look a Google’s launcher, ‘X Remove’ at the top of the screen! A trash icon or X where the app tray icon is seems clear to you!? How is someone supposed to expect that icon to change and what does it mean!? Uninstall or remove!? Obviously their software designers didn’t think of that, and that makes them less professionals than Google’s designers which is to be expected. Google = Software Giant Sony = Hardware Giant

  • Dmitry Perets

    Hmm… And now give me one reason why your complaints are more justified than mine. As you say, just go ahead and install another launcher!

  • paul4id

    Installing gapps is trivial if you want them. I don’t use many Google services, and have no problem with using Amazon or whatever either. I just don’t like the proprietary direction Google is taking Android.

  • Jack

    The performance doesn’t improve with the installation of another launcher! The problem isn’t just cosmetic! They spend time on changing the UI, which is fine as Google made, and in the process not only do they not optimize their ROM, camera software etc, they introduce new bugs and confuse the consumer that has no idea what Android is suppose to be like and jump to iOS for a more consistent experience! Programming and software design go together. To change the design you need to write code and if that code isn’t optimized it won’t work smoothly. And all this takes a lot of time and costs Sony money. If Sony were to do what I’m asking it would result in a better experience for us all! Heck they could throw in their launcher as an app option and not change any of the other elements of the OS to ensure performance and a UI of their own for those that want it. My complaint ain’t fixable by installing something, YOURS IS. Think before complaining! Also have you ever used a Nexus 5!? I takes a bit getting used to but it is a much better experience, no need to cry like a baby because you were used to what you had! I didn’t like the bigger icons, the Google Now to the far right and persistent Google search bar at first but now I use Google Now a lot and find it very useful, use ‘Okay Google’ when I’m at home a lot and find the bigger icons to make the App tray less cluttered!

  • Jack

    When manufactures are creating confusing UIs, hinder the performance of the OS and stall/cancel updates then Google should just close UI modifications all together and any other changes go through them for approval. After all THEY are the software giants. If you don’t like the launcher install one and for any other changes root it etc but be prepared to run in to performance issues like you already do!

  • lunkz

    Thats the reason why I switched back from CM11 to SlimKat, I hate big Icons and less space…

  • Dmitry Perets

    You are talking about software design so much that you probably know that GUI and kernel are usually handled by completely separate teams, so your complaints about spending time on GUI instead of something else don’t make sense imho. But of course I would be also glad if they would focus on something else instead of touching the GUI which used to be great.

    Of course, since you are using Nexus, it probably makes sense to you that after you buy a product you need to search for keyboards, launchers, albums, dialers, players etc. But I believe in out-of-the-box experience. Not out-of-the-box limitation (like iOS), but rather a pleasant and stylish experience, unique for the manufacturer. That is why I like Sony. And again, let me point out the most important thing again. IF you like Nexus, you will buy Nexus. You will not be satisfied with “almost like Google”. You just prove this point yourself, in your posts above. So such people shouldn’t really be aimed by the UI designers. There is nothing wrong in loving Nexus, don’t get me wrong. But it is different, and there is no point to buy Sony to get Nexus.

  • Jack

    What are you talking about!? You don’t need to search for anything when you use Nexus, it’s all there functioning and only requires a Google account and nothing else. I stopped using Sony’s SMS app and use Hangouts because I already use it on my PC etc. You have clearly never used a Nexus 5! I doesn’t matter that they are separate teams! As I said they still cost them money. Sony could have used that money to hire people for things that matter more! Use your brain!

  • Timbo1

    Really? What is this ICS all over again?!

  • Wollombi

    Jack is not going to stop yelling and gesticulating until you agree with him, Dmitry. Just nod quietly and slowly back away from the narcissist.

  • Wollombi

    Way to take the opportunity to bash Americans. I admit some of the American reviews pander to the lowest common denominator, but I see that coming out of other areas of the world, too. I have traveled all over the world, and trust me, Americans, while in contention, are nowhere near to cornering the market on stupidity.

  • Wollombi

    Ironic, you come to Xperiablog.net, a site for those who have an interest in and love of Sony Xperia products, and complain that there are Sony fanboys posting there. Seriously, Jack, you need a real hobby.

  • Wollombi

    I like much of Sony’s UI, at least from Jelly Bean to Android 4.4.2. I enjoy the useful addons such as Stamina Mode. Yes, there are things about it I could do without, or things I wish they would add, but overall, it’s not a bad effort and doesn’t change things for the sake of change.

    That said, I wish they would offer more customizability of the interface out of the box. I would like to be able to change things like icon size, fonts/font color/font size, adding folders in the app drawer, etc. Better yet, make the Sony launcher compatible with the themes/icons that are available for Nova, Apex, etc, so you can use some of those wonderful icon sets or themes without having to dump a new launcher on the phone, but still have the “stock” Sony experience if you wish to keep it. It should be fairly simple to implement as you are not changing the UI so much as adding the facility to adapt it.

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  • Wollombi

    You should still be able to use all widgets in a 3rd party launcher.

  • Mark

    Yes run away from education. You must be a godly programmer…

  • Jack

    I like Sony and own a lot of their products but there are things they do that are wrong. I’m just stating what would make their Xperia products better. And nobody should be a fanboy! Do you like Samsung and Apple fanboys that don’t like to admit that the company they like did something wrong!? If you are a fanboy, sorry to say but you are blind and narcissistic! No company is perfect!

  • paul4id

    Sensitive much? The reason for my comment is due to the fact that most Americans haven’t used Sony phones, and many American reviewers have simply only give them a dismissive passing glance, rather than proper detailed reviews that look into their features and design in detail, with appreciation for the evolution of such products (E.g. comments such as “dated” despite not realising that an equivalent feature/design was on Sony devices before it was on AOSP etc.)

  • paul4id

    Google are Internet giants, not software giants. I have found quite a lot if Google software to be quite lacking.

  • paul4id

    Sony has often been clearer than Google. E.g. look at notification tray where Sony uses clear text labels and Google uses obscure icons. Similar in Google vs. Sony dialler etc. Just look at how the Sony skin also evolved vs. the Google skin — Google moved closer to Sony rather than the other way round.

    IMO Sony’s Mobile UI team has consistently made better decisions in several UX areas than Google’s. Though, given that Sony have recently sacked a lot of people, I’m not sure if that is still the case…

  • paul4id

    If you want the cleanest and most clutter-free then it certainly isn’t Google’s. Bloated with their Google Now rubbish. Trebuchet is much cleaner and simpler.

    … as for what I’ve seen so far of Android L it is ugly as hell. More abstract bullsh1t from those hideous Android system buttons. Notifications loom terry le and less readable, and I don’t like the look of the new lock-scrren behaviour.

  • paul4id

    I would hope Sony would get together with some other phone companies and kick Google out, or at least force Google to have more reasonable terms.

  • paul4id

    Yes, I have developed software professionally. Google is an Internet advertising and data-mining company, not a software giant.

  • wei

    I just got my Z3 (dual), having moved here from a Z1 compact. I’m really disliking the large icons too. It defeats the purpose of having a larger screen in the first place. It should at least be a toggle-able option. Wasn’t Google etc. saying that the difference between the iPhone and them was that they gave users “choice”? Where is my choice to get smaller icons? *Apple* allows this (you can have things larger, or have more icons on the screen!).

  • Jack

    It’s the best performance I’m looking for! For you it’s bloatware for others it’s not. Sony’s What’s New, hideous launcher, crappy SMS app etc are also bloatware! And what you like better visually is objective, but from what you’re saying you must be a Godly Senior OS Designer and Google hired blind people! Wake up and get off your know-it-all high horse!

  • Jack

    Yes and Chrome, Chrome OS, Android, all their apps etc are not considered software and the people that created them are not programmers! If you were really a programmer you should have known this! Your just a fanboy making up crop to defend Sony.

  • Jack

    What other phone companies!? The only other OS that has the possibility of creating a strong eco-system is MS’s and don’t try to convince anyone other wise. Without market share or some incentive not many applications will be written for the OS. It’s happen time and time again! Go buy a Nokia or an Apple or BB if you don’t like using Google services and stay out of the Play Store that’s Google’s too. What are you, a 9 year old!?

  • Jack

    Sony never stole any of your data did they! You clearly HATE Google! So why buy an Android phone!? If you don’t already start also using Alta Vista, Opera, Linux and an AMD based PC. Or set up these data mining services by yourself, CODE FREE! That should keep you safe from you paranoia!

  • Mr P

    Exactly. Here’s what me screen looks like with Nova Launcher.
    As you can see, full use of screen and back to normal icon size (Sorry about the wallpaper)

  • Guest

    :)

  • paul4id

    I use Android as it’s the best we have got at the moment in terms of being an open platform (developed by the Open Handset Alliance with contributions from many many companies, not just Google). I want it to be as open a platform as possible, not as Google a platform as possible.

    Yes, in the long-term I think only more open platforms will succeed, and the future shall be with Linux, ARM-based CPUs (not AMD). Do by know why you mention Opera as it is closed source, but certainly there is Firefox (I post from Firefox on Android)

  • paul4id

    Are you intentionally being so stupid or just born that way? AOSP is open so can be easily forked. All they need to do is to create a new standard AOSP fork that sabotages Google’s proprietarisation strategy. That doesn’t require a big effort, and won’t break existing applications.

  • paul4id

    That isn’t where their money comes from. Follow the money to see where their real interests lie…

  • Mr P

    Here’s what my screen now looks like with Nova Launcher under default settings. I have full use of the screen and back to the smaller icons (sorry about the poker theme)

  • paul4id

    Where did I say I wanted bloatware. It’s clear that you are happy with bloatware such as Google Now integrated everywhere hijacking the home button, Google all over home screen, Google search only searching Google-made apps, Google plus, Google plus photos, non-standard messaging protocols like in the Hangouts bloatware, Google photos, Google Drive, Google Play Videos and TV, Google Play Music, Google Play Books, Play Games, GMail email scanner, nasty proprietary Google Play Services app running behind the scenes with proprietary app APIs and ability to take control of your phone, plus all that data of yours that they copy to their servers etc. etc.

  • Jack

    You think open platforms are safe and offer better performance!? Far from it! Use any Linux PC OS and you are open to more attacks and limited to crap apps! Not mention drivers are crap! The reason, lack of money! You’ll never get a good OS if the guys behind it aren’t making any money! Android only developed into a good OS AFTER Google bought it!

  • Jack

    Oh so scary! They are controlling my life and I can’t move! Sony’s apps don’t need my email and personal details to work (Music/Video Unlimited etc.). They show me ads and I just buy, buy, buy like a brainless idiot! Sony have never compromised my data. WHY ARE YOU ON THE INTERNET YOU ARE IN DANGER! GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE!

  • Jack

    You get your apps the pirate way and support no developers! YOU CRIMINAL! Yes they should fork it and ditch the entire ecosystem and all its apps and then everyone will buy it and support! Especially with all the companies that will build devices for it, right!? Or maybe you will build your own, with parts you make at home in your oven!? YOU ARE STUPID AND PARANOID AREN’T YOU!? WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON THE INTERNET!? WHY DO YOU HAVE A PC!? YOU ARE BEING SPIED ON!

  • Jack

    Assembly!? It’s only in the last decade they’ve needed higher level programmers/software engineers NOT electronic engineers. WHAT DOES IT MATTER HOW THEY MAKE MOST THEIR MONEY MOST EVERYTHING THEY HAVE, DATA MINING INCLUDED WORK ON HIGHER LEVEL CODE! THEY HAVE WAY, WAY MORE PROGRAMMERS THAN A COMPANY LIKE SONY AND WITH MUCH MORE EXPERIENCE! Do you REALLY know anything about programming!? Hello World!? LOL!

  • Jack

    ARE YOU SERIOUS!? I’ve already pointed out stupid, unintuitive changes they made and all you have to say is labels and abstract crap!? DO YOU HAVE SHARES IN SONY!? Don’t get me wrong, I like Sony and love their hardware design. But when it comes to software other than video games they have failed repeatedly! They make mostly clean interfaces as of late but they are not the most intuitive and don’t perform the best. For example I have a PS3 and own a lot of their games but the OS and the apps for it perform awful and aren’t the most intuitive. The PS4 is a great improvement in those aspects but there are still parts of it that have issues. I have a Sony TV and it doesn’t perform as good as it should, apps I want are missing and the ones that exist don’t work well or perform the best. I had a VAIO its specs were not the best for the price I paid. I have an Xperia its hardware and performance are somewhat a disappointment for the price I paid and half of that is because Sony didn’t write good enough software. The camera at least should have been better, the launcher should stutter or confuse and the updates should be faster. I have a WALKMAN it doesn’t perform as it should for the price I paid due to software. I have Sony camera and wish some software features were improved and made it easier.

  • Jack

    Are you living in the 90’s!? GO BACK TO YOUR CAVE!

  • Dmitry Perets

    Huh… you seem to be focused more on your attempts to call me stupid rather than on responding to my statements, so I feel that this discussion is pretty pointless… But since you mentioned about Hangouts and SMS… Well, I also have this feature and I’ve disabled it. Because with my usage pattern, I use SMS and IM for totally different types of communication, so it doesn’t make sense to me to put them in one place. It fits you? Great, then use it! But luckily Sony still has its old SMS app, and I can opt fot using it. I hope they won’t deprecate it too soon, based on Google “recommendations”. If you still don’t agree that it is better to have a choice rather than having just Google stock and its imitators – well, then you don’t agree…

  • Dmitry Perets

    This is probably a good idea ;)

  • Dmitry Perets

    Maybe what you mean is “there are things they do that are wrong IMHO”. This last IMHO is important, because this is exactly why it is better to have a CHOICE rather than one stock UI. Google definitely has the best Web applications I saw in my life (imho of course, but I guess many people will agree here), and Android is a great thing as well. But surprisingly they also do things that could be done better.

  • Jack

    How ignorant can you be!? You don’t have to merge your online conversations with the offline ones! You talk without knowing! I didn’t call you stupid and just meant that you complaining without knowing or researching! You can have your preferences when it comes to design and what apps to use but performance and not being able to change/delete is something different than what you are saying!

  • Jack

    Yes that’s why I said they can include a their launcher but not change anything else! They should only add apps to their phones! Everything else they change affects the performance of the device! This is a fact not an opinion! But imo they should stop creating a launcher too and focus on improving performance all around! Wouldn’t you rather have a snappier Sony phone, with better camera, audio, video quality etc than a crappy launcher!? I know a lot of people would. And imo that would help Sony gain a better name in the mobile space. Why do you think most people who buy Samsung buy it in the first place? People who know nothing about technology! Because they heard the buzz a few years ago and still thing Samsung as the best performing Android phones! Same goes for Apple! They think Apple devices NEVER crash etc! If Sony could focus on building a reputation of having the best performing Android phones all around and let Google handle the design for now they would be doing better imo! I know a lot of people that bought an Xperia and hated it because of it’s performance and had nothing to say about the UI, they had no opinion whatsoever!

  • Dmitry Perets

    Sony’s performance is perfectly competitive with others. So your “fact” is some specific case that you saw or wanted to see. Camera is a weak part, agreed. Audio, video, UI smoothness – no complains about it from my side, all works great. Now we also now that battery consumption is well optimized (say hello to Nexus btw, and it is NOT just a hardware difference – compare battery capacities, and you’ll see it). Sony has some things and lacks others, no argument here. But I don’t agree that performance is a major Sony’s issue. Camera – yes. Speed – no. Furthermore, performance that you feel depends a lot on the launcher, and Samsung is still not as smooth as Sony, which is easily seen in any store. And here you admit that nevertheless Samsung sells well (true of course). So I don’t agree that Sony should focus on performance. Battery life is a better bet. Look, Z3 finally managed to reach non-IT newspapers. This almost didn’t happen before – only Apple and Samsung were there.

  • Dmitry Perets

    Researching? You mean just setting a checkbox and checking the result? I can do it again… Just did. Don’t see anything wrong in what I said. SMS and IM are shown in one place called Hangouts. The best you can do is to separate them into two lists instead of having one. This is NOT what I want. So I opt for an external app for sms. What is not clear here?

  • Jack

    And Sony is not as smooth a Nexus! Yes Samsung sells well because they USED TO BE the best performing devices and they created a huge BUZZ that no technical people still THINK they are the best! I’m not talking about Nexus specifically, I’m talking about stock Google Android’s performance, Motorola, Nexus etc. And I never said Nexus devices are perfect! Nexus devices have a bit less capable hardware and small battery and no expendable storage etc. And battery isn’t the point here! It has taken Sony how may years to reach some good reviews now with the Z3!? And what do you think those newspapers talk about and praise most!? The amazing UI!? NO!!!!!!!!!!!! They could have focused on those other areas sooner and reached praise sooner, before Sasmung took the spot light. Now it might be to late! Also you do know that Sony isn’t doing well financial? That’s even more reason to focus on what maters! YOU STILL DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT I’M SAYING! Believe whatever you want but from what you are telling me here, you don’t know anything about how an OS works and how it is written, nor what money it takes to make it or change things in it…

  • Dmitry Perets

    But I don’t agree that performance IS the thing that matters! Especially because imho Sony doesn’t have performance issue! Even if you see the difference in performance somewhere, it is not significant if not imaginary. Samsung never had good UI performance. First Galaxy was laggy comparing to HTC from that time, and Touch Wiz never became smooth. If you are talking about useless stuff like Antutu, then yes, they like those numbers. But if Sony beats Samsung in Antutu, it will change absolutely nothing imho. Samsung has a concept of giving you the highest hardware specs and the biggest number of tweaks for a given price, and this is how the sell to geeks. In parallel, their aggressive marketing makes it popular, and most people learn that there is only Apple, Samsung, cheap Nexus and some small players. But marketing is losely coupled with technical achievements, even though Samsung definitely has some. The majority of owners don’t know how many Antutu points it has and don’t care about their laggy UI. As for your last statement, well… the worst devs and IT specialists that I met in my life were always making statements about arguable things like if they were not arguable. Did you develop low level parts of Android firmware? Did you “diff” between Sony’s code and Google stock code? Did you at least perform profiling of Sony’s code to find performance culprits? If the answer to ANY of these questions is Yes, then you would discuss it on professional forums,.at least on xda-devs, and not here. And if the answer is No, then what the hell are you talking about? … I guess this part of the discussion shouldn’t be continued.

  • Jack

    Yes I know about low level Android code. I’m try to inform you! Sony had big issues with launcher performances up until the Z and if it wasn’t for the more powerful SoCs my guess is they still would. And you still DON’T understand what I’m say about performance and what Sony is doing wrong imo. Performance isn’t only about the UI. The quality of the videos/photos your phone can take, the quality of the screen, the sound quality etc, Sony should focus on that! You think that most people that buy a Samsung buy it for crappy TouchWiz!? It’s the performance/quality buzz they’ve created in other departments. For instance their Amoled display. They were the fist to have a screen on a phone that wasn’t washed out and just popped to the average consumer! Their camera quality has been consistently good in the eyes of the average consumer! When did Sony deliver these performance/quality aspects in a phone that reviewers praise!? Z2!? Z3!? Watch a review of a Moto X phone or Nexus 5, or even better play with one. I have a Z1 and I’ve used a Nexus 5 and will the difference performance of the UI and it’s animations aren’t huge they are noticeable after a while! The stutters I sometimes get on my Z1 are much, much more rare on the Nexus 5 etc! These are real life, day to day usage performance issues not some fabricated benchmark tool! Have you used a Nexus 5 or at least a Moto X for a few days!? If YES, and you don’t know what I’m talking about then okay you didn’t notice or have not seen what I’ve seen. If NO, then how have you been having a conversation with me without knowing!

  • Dmitry Perets

    So now you are talking about issues before Z? And by “performance” you mean everything from screen to audio? Cool ;) … Yes, I used Nexus (4, not 5), and also HTC, Samsung, iPhone and Asus (tablet). I agree that Nexus is smooth, I don’t agree that Sony is not smooth enough. And I didn’t like the stock UI that much, so I prefer Sony now. Although they might soon ruin it and become like Google stock, but worse – which is how I started this discussion. I think Sony started to make good phones in 2012, and it took them up until 2014 to make also a good flagship like Z2. But why take the thing that was actually GOOD – the UI – and blame it for all the rest? I don’t think that others invest less in UI development, actually msybe even other way around. Sony made a simple but stylish UI, and imho many people praise Sony for it – and it starts even from wallpapers. Should they invest in other teams? Yes, especially in those writing camera software (btw I would call it low level code, let’s say backend). But UI is important, they shouldn’t ruin it. Other way around, they should sell its distinguished features better. And btw all tge rest is arguable – screen, sound etc. You do know that many people find Amoled oversaturated an unnatural, right? Only recently Samsung allowed people to choose between color profiles to improve this…

  • Jack

    Yes Amoled is over-saturated and I personally don’t like that about it. The colour accuracy is also off. But Sony only put an acceptable, in terms of what the competition has, screen in the Z2. Unacceptable! Especially considering their pricing! Creating a launcher and making other changes to the UI cost Sony a lot of money. My point, they could have used that money instead to focus on those other aspects. Especially since the launcher, which makes up a big part of the UI, can easily be changed by the user by installing one. Plus those available one the Play Store offer a lot of customization options. Heck, Sony should release a survey asking customers in general about what they think about their UI, how many install other launchers, what is more important to them etc. I’d hate to see Sony go bankrupt because they fail to focus on what matters most! Why do you think Sony has been struggling the past decade? They made poor choices and invested in the wrong things! They’ve been late to realize what matters the most in a smartphone for most people. Also, for example, their TVs had failed in quality for years. Now that the quality is there imo they’ve failed to push the ‘smart’ features they have. Most people I’ve talk to or even seen in stores go for Samsung, not only based on picture quality but because they think only Samsung TVs are smart and have the apps they might use, even if it is all a gimmick, they don’t know. Imo Sony is making the right move next year installing Android TV on their TVs. As long as Google does their part right, consumers will see ‘Android TV’ and THINK that what they have on their phone will be available on their TV! Sony can’t beat Samsung any other way at the moment! Sony doesn’t have the money nor the support that they used to! They need to play is safe! YOU like Sony’s UI, others don’t, it’s objective. I like somethings in Sony’s launcher too. For instance, I like the uninstall and organizing features they put in the navigation drawer of the app draw. But there are also thing I don’t like. There’s no way they can create a perfect UI for everyone but they can create better cameras, better screens, better audio that will have a wider appeal than a launcher! The last decade Sony had focused on making devices that were Sony in every aspect. They refused to use mp3 in their Walkman’s for to long, they stuck to their CRT technology for to long, they stuck to Symbian for to long (they own a big part of it), they stuck to various proprietary technologies for to long etc. While their launcher isn’t that big of a deal, it still costs them money etc and ALSO hinders their update schedule…

  • Dmitry Perets

    Yes, I agree with most of the above. I do think that Sony did two right things this year, not just right for marketing, but also right from technical perspective. One thing was Z1 Compact – they identified correctly that the market lacks small phones with top specs, and Z1c was selling well. Second thing is battery consumption – one of the biggest concerns for a simple user. Now, if they improve their screen, they just REACH the others. But with Z1C and with Z3 battery life they actually did something that is BETTER than others. I think it is important for a small player like Sony to have UNIQUE strong points, rather than being just NOT WORSE THAN. Only huge players like Samsung can afford themselves to make phones that are “just fine, as usual”

  • Jack

    Yes, unique NON INTRUSIVE features like remote play and dualshock support! Those that want it can use it and those that don’t doesn’t get in their way! I bought a Z1 as the first Sony phone with good specs and hopping what bad things I read about it were not as bad as they said. I was somewhat disappointed and wish I’d waited a got the Nexus 5 (someone I know has it). If I were to buy a phone now it’d be a Nexus 6 or Moto X (2014) or Z3. Why not just the Z3!? Sony may have fixed most of the issues I have with the Z1 they didn’t fix them all. System updates are still slow, software not as smooth, they have more bugs than the other two devices and they still have some intrusive features in their software I can’t easily get rid of! Example: Swipe up and What’s New CRAP is there, multitasking and small apps are there which I don’t use and have opened accidentally etc. You might like these things but I DON’T and I CAN’T REMOVE THEM!

  • paul4id

    I’m not hearing any specific logical reasoning from you on current mobile UI design other than a lot of verbose ranting about unrelated things to do with PlayStation, TVs, Various, and camera algorithms (not UI-related). Any UI complaints from you have been in superficial things, rather than true usability issues.

    A hint to you: a company as large as Sony will have different software teams working in different types of software on different geographical areas.

    I could respond further to your rants, but I don’t have the time.

  • paul4id

    Clearly you don’t understand that forking won’t break existing app compatibility. Supporting app developers doesn’t depend on Google.

  • paul4id

    You can remove both what’s new and small apps without rooting. I would have thought such a vocal “expert” like yourself would have been aware of that.

  • Jack

    I know you can remove them but you need to connect it to a PC and go trough the process each time there is an update! Not easily removable I should have said… You can remove everything if you want to but how easy is it!? It should be something anyone can do and removing those isn’t!

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  • Jack

    You won’t be able to use the Play Store genius! What are you going to do!? Pirate!? GET LOST YOU SCUM BAG PIRATE!?

  • paul4id

    … because Play Store is the only place to buy apps… and it is soon difficult to flash.

  • paul4id

    They never really bothered me that much. I removed mine without connecting to a PC though

  • Jack

    IN WHICH DREAM WORLD ARE YOU LIVING!? Devices not certified by Google aren’t allowed to use the Play Store. For Android in many countries Play Store is the only option! What do you use to BUY APPS PIRATE!? AMAZON with its limited selection!? Have you set up your own servers and platform for buying apps!? Or do you do it the illegal way you PIRATE SCUM BAG!

  • Jack

    Whatever its still a posses!? Pirate scum bag, Sony fanboy! You’d give Sony your info and let them track you (they got hacked big time) but Google NOOOOOOOOO! GOOGLE HATER! GET OF THE INTERNET BACK TO YOU CAVE!

  • Jack

    *still a process!

  • hana

    Thanks a lot, i did remove it n wanna get it back. Tried a lot of ways, couldnt figure out unyil i see this post. Thanks for sharing

  • jose

    Is it possible to change virtual onscreen buttons background color? They seem to take a lot of screen space.

  • Qwote Dale Loquita

    How did you do that?

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  • Darthpilsner

    I’ve had this phone for 2 months and I never even noticed that bar until I came across site.

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