Is Sony about to use “4K X-Reality PRO” in mobile? May give credence to that 4K Xperia Z5 Plus

by XB on 15th August 2015

in Rumours, Xperia Z5 series


4K X-Reailty ProSony Mobile may shortly be using new display software in its Xperia devices including a new version of “X-Reality” and more interestingly “4K X-Reality”. Recently we have reported that there is a possibility that the Xperia Z5+ phablet may use a 4K display, given info revealed in the UAProf.

However, whilst this seems far-fetched, a report from Digi-wo appears to suggest the same thing, with the Xperia Z5+ (S70+) due to have “4K X-Reality”, whilst the Xperia Z5 (S70) and Xperia Z5 Compact (S60) will not. Sony already uses “4K X-Reality PRO” in its 4K televisions to help upscale HD content. Therefore it’s no surprise that if Sony were to bring out a 4K display in a mobile device, then it would likely use the same processing engine.

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Via Digi-wo.

Thanks Tony!

  • xAntifreeZe

    wowww this is actually quite interesting to see what sony plans to do

  • Alvin

    Interesting….

    Even though you have to get two gloves at a time for your hands in case it overheats

  • Itsarapong Intoum

    are you serious SONY ? I think 2k is enough for the 5.5″ screen.

    Better to focus on something else like DAC, OPAMP, camera software.

    Ahh moreover the overheat issues must get rid =…=

  • Alvin

    Are they really sure to bring their phablet a 4K display rather than do/test it on tablet first

  • Shubham Mutreja

    sony instead use Whitemagic IPS-NEO Display with 2000:1 contrast ratio
    Hi Fi DACs and real BIONZ Image/Video Processor

  • Alvin

    And i do really think this is a major updates in the serie, at least it’s much worth the upgrade rather than z to z1, z1 to z2 l, z2 to z3, and especially z3 to z3+

    I do see it because of the leaks and especially these laked pictures

  • Alvin

    By real bionz, you mean ois or optical bionz, right?

  • Kristo

    *Sony stays safe and does regular upgrades*
    Fans: “OMG SONY DOES NOTHING THEY SHOULD DO LIKE SARMSURNG AND MAKE NEW STUFF HURR DURR”

    *Sony makes a few changes*
    Fans: “NO YOU CANT DO THIS YOU’RE GONNA RUIN THE PHONE YOU’RE DOING THINGS TO FAST STAHP”

  • vigneshprince

    I am actually waiting for Z5 compact

  • Shubham Mutreja

    Bionz is actually a on chip image processor just like pureview 808 had
    if bionz is there i dont think we will need OIS because the high ISO performance will dramatically improve
    Currently they are just using BIONZ as a marketing term

  • Itsarapong Intoum

    I will be surprise if Kaz let hiroki do that -_- -_- -_-

  • Shubham Mutreja

    lol they need not to use their own processors it will be expensive
    they can use sabre, NXP, ESS or yamaha audio chips and some broadcom processor for image processing and market it as s master and bionz

  • xAntifreeZe

    this actually make sense since months ago theres rumors that next flagship will be inspired by Sony Bravia TV–not in terms of design, but display

  • Itsarapong Intoum

    You have a point. Even I don’t know what exactly is the chip of s master, mx, hx.

    at least they should give us a dedicate DAC chip not the builtin qualcomm for flagship model.

  • Clarence Alvarado

    This is seriously bleeding edge. I’m now looking for another Xperia Z launch, where it showcased their first 1080p display in a mediocre battery capacity, which turned out that the display is also sub-par.

    This time, 4K in a mobile phone would be Sony’s feat for now, but it won’t last long. This may bring a necessary development for this kind of tech in the future or worse, it will just be a tragic memory.

  • hhhmmmm.. if they can mix 2-day battery life with 4k display it would be awesome though

  • kaostheory

    Morpheus using your phone with your ps4!

  • Sadman Khan

    This is going too far. 1080p is enough. 2k is overkill. 4k is out of the question. They should just improve the quality instead of just bumping up the resolution. The CPUs are really not strong enough to drive 4k displays and the battery life would be shitty. Even the s820 would not be enough to drive a 4k display. Maybe in terms of cpu power yes, but in terms of gpu power definitely not.

  • Alvin

    Yeah me too! Yeah me too you know

    I don’t need ois if we have bionz.. Especially the improved one

  • Clarence Alvarado

    I believe this is also connected in launching VR for Sony mobile device. :)

  • kaostheory

    Great for VR, possible alternative to Morpheus.

  • Sadman Khan

    To be very honest, 2k display would have been enough. And a bigger battery with a larger camera sensor maybe. Also, put in one handed mode like the C5U and make the RAM 4GB. That would be enough of reason to buy z5+ over z5

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  • Itsarapong Intoum

    ahh yeah that’s right.

  • jumbo3220

    ok sony,, do anything without sacrificing the 2 day battery life with Z5 Ultra. although i prefer a 1080p screen , it’s obvious someday Sony will step up the resolution race.

    give us a Qualcomm improved wet tracking display with neonode tech in original Z ulta so people can use a pencil as stylus, a larger battery, the new IMX230 and a flasher (leaked slides shows a flash)

  • kaostheory

    Not sure what you’re looking for, a replicator?
    Z brought omnibalance and waterproofing to flagship
    Z1 21mp camera
    Z2 stereo speakers, noise canceling, high res audio compatible
    Z3 DSEE, brighter screen, high res audio with converter
    Z3+ wet finger tracking, 64 bit

    What other manufacturer has added more features? The reason I buy Sony is you can’t get this much hardware on any other phone.

  • hansip

    To be honest this will be very exciting if Sony does bring it as z Ultra replacement. Seems like Sony is once again testing the water on their ultra series. If that doesn’t come as people’s favorite then you can expect the cheap prices just like Z Ultra before it. :)

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  • kaostheory

    What if they add choices for resolution same as pc? Problem solved.

  • hansip

    If we’re looking at Z4 Tablet, i believe the 4k panel from Sony will be at least as efficient as that panel. So I’d say bring it on :)

  • Shubham Mutreja

    s master is a class d digital amplifier which is excellent in audio sampling and amplifying

    It uses high power and generates lot of heat

    https://www.sony-asia.com/product/resources/en_AP/images/Technology/HTS/S-Master_More1.jpg

    It doesnt use d/a converter

  • Itsarapong Intoum

    In that case SD810+s master+oil. I can make my breakfast from it!!!

  • Alvin

    I knew it… I knew all of things that you said. But What I expected and saw are much more at this z3+ to z5 thing

  • Alvin

    Yeah.. Now they are following apple with z5 and z5+ with z5 having a smaller screen and z5+ having a larger screen but with some more features than original z5. But it’s just…they’re too ambitious Like people want large devices more than smaller devices made by them

  • Shubham Mutreja

    lol sd810 overheating in z3+ is not serious as it is highlighted
    just see this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlnlW6sOP7w

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    The panel itself will show just as many pixels. It’s just that the processing power will double or quadruple (based on what resolution they jump to) the same pixel image, right?

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    First off: 1080p is 2K. K stands for thousands pixels horizontally. 1080p has 1920 pixels horizontally, which can easily be rounded to 2000. 1440p has 2560 pixels horizontally, which can better be rounded up to be 2.5K.

    Secondly, 1440p is not overkill. The average healthy human eye can easily notice the difference between pixels up to around 600 ppi. Thirdly, nothing eyond 1440p, like 4K, is overkill, as human’s ability to distinguish images higher than 600 ppi and lower is actually possible: they might not see the individual pixels, but a much higher ppi makes the image look for more realistic. They have done research on this.

    Fourth, you know little of battery life and resolution. The Galaxy S6 has almost double the pixels of its predecessor, and its display alone is 20% more efficient in battery and more battery efficient than any other 1080p mobile phone, like HTC One M9, Z3, etc. You also have processors, that keep getting more battery efficient as times go by, as well as they increase their performance.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    Check the frequency of th SD810. They have underclocked it (throttled it) substantially to avoid the issue. What does that tell you?

  • Shubham Mutreja

    they did with z2 and z3 which had NXP TFA 9890 dac in z2 and two of these chips z3
    YES Z3 HAD 2 AUDIO DACs

  • Shubham Mutreja

    the phone still works smoothly but underclocking is not a good thing

  • kaostheory

    Yup same as pc, if a game is to intense for your setup, you just lower the res to lighten the load and it drops the power consumption as well.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    But that’s what they have done, which proves the SD810 having the problems you claim they don’t. I mean, the issue isn’t necessarily the phone getting hot in itself, but the technical problems that this brings: bad battery time and throttling. By underclocking the processor they have basically given it a constant “throttle”, as it has a very low frequency compared to other processor (like its predecessor, or the Exynos 7420), which in turn means bad performance. But it also has a noticavle bad battery efficiency, regardless of these “fixes”. I mean, take a look at phones with SD810. They all have very low frequency (much lower than SD801, SD805, etc.), but still give bad battery time. The Oneplus Two has a bigger battery than its predecessor, and much lower battery time than OnePlus One. Same with HTC One M9, which has a bigger battery, but much worse battery life, than M8. Same with Z3+ vs. Z2 and Z3.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    This is precisely what always frustrates me with phone OS’s, especially when using a tablet — when you actually feel like you need features like these. Had it not been for the fact that I can have console ROMs and torrent clients (uTorrent, Popcorn Time, etc.) on Android, I would never even purchase a tablet. Thankfully, though, the Surface Pro is getting thinner and thinner, and I can pretty soon be able to use full Windows with proper PC hardware (i5s and i7s) and PC OS. The Surface Pro 2 and 3 are already much better and faster than equivalent ultrabooks for these tasks, actually.

    They already have full OS with Surface 3 too, and I’m guessing the next generation Intel Atom processors for Surface 4 will be great and make the desktop experience great enough to use it, as well as they make it even lighter and thinner. I honestly can’t wait for this to happen, as Google and Apple have killed the tablet market by doing nothing to develop it. Not even in hardware specs (we had 1600p in 2012, and they still haven’t progressed beyond this).

  • Shubham Mutreja

    the sd810 performs very good and better than exynos on z4 tablet BTW

  • smartuser8

    S810 + 4K, yeahhh Sony!

  • Sadman Khan

    I know nothing of battery life? Tell me more about how the smaller size and 720p screen of Z3c delivers better battery life than Z3. It’s mainly because the resolution is basically half. How much sharper do you even need? 400 ppi is ENOUGH.

  • Sadman Khan

    They’re being way too ambitious

  • Alvin

    And you really dont get my point that much

  • Alvin

    Yup.. too ambitious that they failed from and to theirselves

  • ramuk

    No true fanboy wants Xperia device looks or feels like Samsung phones.

  • Alfino Setya

    Not sure about your claim about S6 battery life but almost all of my friends who has the S6 and S6 Edge always complain about the battery life at me. Real life usage can be different, so the result may be vary. If you don’t believe me, you can ask my co-workers, they all are samsung user. I’m talk about real life usage here not systematic.

  • Alfino Setya

    I’m imagine about Xperia with QUARTZ design, that’s would be good, actually.

  • I don’t see a camera upgrade since Z1 do i ? Fail

  • Alfino Setya

    She just a Sammobile reader who gets lost in Xperiablog lol XD

  • ShinOrochiX

    What’s the point, the screen technology is way more important than software enhancements (which are only limited to a few apps-namely Album).

  • Lars Holmgren

    Me too

  • Maybe with a 6000mAh battery.

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  • Hjmak Jaffar

    Go Sony go

  • RockStar2005

    Fux yeah ramuk!! Samsung’s just NOW making phones with glass backs and metal bodies. We’ve been doing it for years (and I guess Apple too)! lol

  • SM

    Any innovation for sound quality? Once upon a time SONY used to famous for its premium superb quality sound system. I can still remember & miss my w700i & the (sound) beats of her.

  • theskig

    This is completely nonsense.

  • Melfes Wired

    Actually if you watch some normal HD content on your cellphone, a UHD screen will work better than a normal FHD screen, since the pixel will just be tripled on each direction.

    And even if it does use a UHD screen, most of the time the phone will still work as a FHD phone and stretch the content into UHD

  • Melfes Wired

    Bionz is not even a chip. Just like most so-called “processor” on the camera, it’s more like a solution of image processing, including processor/s and algorithm.

    Sony has been using Bionz for at least 5 generations of it’s alpha DSLR/mirrorless camera, it can’t be the same chip for 5 generations.

    But still, just don’t have any hope, that the Bionz on your cellphone uses the same algorithm like all those alpha cameras.

  • Svnjay

    Sony disabled two cores in the Z3+. It’s a 6 phone.

  • David Lettinga

    Might want to do a little more research on what 1080p vs 2K is because they are not the same. 1080 is the number of horizontal lines. 2K would be roughly 2000 lines. It has nothing to do with pixel count.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    The S6 battery is a bit worse than S5, for a simple: a substansially reduced battery size.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    You tell me to do research and can’t even do that yourself — or even understand basic math that they teach in elementary school. 1080p is vertical pixels of 1080 pixels. In 16:9 AR that is 1920 vertical = roughly 2K.

    1920 x 1080 = the overall number of pixels (a^2).

    “Research”: “2K resolution is a generic term for display devices or content having horizontalresolution on the order of 2,000″

    – Wiki

    The same reason 4K ” is” 2160p. 2160 vertical and 3840 (roughly 4K horizontal). Or why did you think they called it 4K?

  • HAWX

    Seems like you don’t know the correlation between Resulation, gpu load, and frame you’ll get.

    Tell me a graphic card that runs GTA 5 on 4K, above 60fps constantly. You’ll need to put at least 2 GPUs and ~1500+$.

    To run GTA5 on Full HD, a single good GPU will be enough. Ah, and you will have 2X less heat, less component to cope with heat, less electrical usage, 3X less money, consanst 60+fps in game, and quite good and flowing experience.
    If you’re going to decide which resulation should be used, considering mobile area which already have lots of problems about inconsistent performance and battery life, heat, etc. 4K is stupidly bad idea to implement on mobile devices right at the moment unless you find some good solutions to problems I mentioned above.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    That has to do with screen size vs. battery size too. Resolution certainly is a factor, but not as much as ppl believe. I was also discussing the relevance of battery efficiency when developing displays. Z3 and Z3C were released in the same time. I was discussing development; like S5 to S6, showing that resolution is not to blame for the paranoia of battery time. Other factors play in as well.

    As for the rant about CPUs, you are again nitpicking, and again being wrong. Number of cores has zero relevance for battery usage. If you know diddly squat about heterogeneous computing, you’d know that more cores implemented in hyperthreading (like Intel CPUs) or ARM’s big.LITTLE, you’d know that this is in fact more efficient. The 8 cores are never one at the same time. To “sum” it up, 4 are lower clocked, whereas the other 4 are higher clocked, and they are used for different tasks smarter, allowing for more efficiency. Same way i7 CPUs have, say 4 cores (in the case of the “midrange” ones) it has turned on at all times. But for more heavy tasks, 4 additional threads are made.

    Now to the nitpick: me saying that CPUs constantly get more efficient, and you nitpicking it by giving one example that really is only half true. CPUs ARE actually getting more efficient by die shrinking, there is no doubt about this. But chips made on 20nm dies are having alot of issues that’s not worth going into. But the point is that SD810, like some other CPUs, were made on this die size. None were very successful compared to predecessors on bigger dies (smaller die means bigger issues in terms of heat dissipation). This is the case for all chips. That’s why nVidia and AMD have used 28nm for almost 5 years now, and are jumping straight to 14/16nm — jumping over 20nm.

  • David Lettinga

    Funny how you try to insult me when you have no idea what you are talking about. FullHD/1080p are labelled differently than 2k and 4k

    1080p and 2k are separate displays.

    1080p or FHD is 1920 by 1080

    A true 2K display is 2048 by 1080

    4K is 3840 by 2160

    In a sense the changed the way they labeled the display from horizontal lines to vertical lines of pixels, a mistake on my part, however you are still wrong in thinking 2K and 1080p are the same

    Actually research:
    Occasionally, 1080p (Full HD or FHD)has been included into the 2K resolution definition. However, this appears to be incorrect consumer assumption, rather than official inclusion into the resolution terminology. Older and current media, web content, and books on video production, cinema references and definitions, define 1080P and 2K resolutions as separate definitions andnot the same.

    1080p has the same vertical resolution as 2K Resolutions (1080 pixels), and 1080p can be utilized within the 2K resolution container. However 1080p has a smaller horizontal resolution below the ranged of 2K resolution formats.

    According to official reference material, DCI and industry standards do not officially recognize 1080p as a 2K resolution in literature concerning 2K and 4K resolution.

    -Wiki

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    When was GTA benchmark for phones? Or 4K gaming? You do realize we are talking about normal interfaces like simple animstions, texts, etc.?. Sure, they demand power too. But that brings us back to CPUs getting substantially better performance on the same frequency or/and battery time every year. S5 Exynos on S5 to S6 improved like 50% performsnce per clock. That’s insane compared to desktop and laptop CPUs, where we barely have seen half of that the last 5 years. 5 years in which we have gotten ultrabooks with 768p to 1800p (almost 4K) and good battery life.

  • Sadman Khan

    Yes but we are talking about snapdragon here in Sony’s case, who really couldn’t properly implement the BIG.Little architecture. And that is why they are trying to go for 14nm (which is more power efficient) and also quad core custom cores because with no external factors involved, a quad core will consume less power than an octa core. Which is why qualcomm chose to go for custom quad core architecture like before. Because they CAN implement it better. And because they CAN make it more power efficient and also, it will heat up less. Most of the octa cores have heating problems and thus, more thermal throttling. This leads to the rapid fall in performance in a short period of time. S6 overheats. So does M9. So does Z3+. Some overheat more while others less. But nonetheless,they produce more heat. Also, there’s a difference in architecture between core i7 and these mobile cpus. These cpus actually have 8 cores while i7 in reality has 4 cores. However, using hyperthreading, those 4 can be “emulated” to act like 8 cores and thus dividing tasks accordingly and thus saving power and generating less heat. The BIG.Little ones are almost always running simultaneously although they do show up as quad core in some benchmarks. Because of these “extra” cores running, it doesn’t really help much. Unlike that, an efficient quad core with good optimisation works far better. The clocks can scale down according to the tasks and can get scaled up during hd gaming or during intensive tasks. Octa core , right now, is a pure joke. That is why people still prefer core i7 over amd x8 or whatever.

  • You responded to him correcting the common misconception that 2K = 1440p. It is far more correct to say 2K = 1080p as a shorthand without needing to get into FHD vs 2K. So when you responded to him, you were being overly pedantic for no real reason. I’m fairly certain they’d concede your useless hair splitting.

  • Melli

    Top is with X Reality OFF
    Bottom X Reality ON

    Direct screenshot taken from a 720p video by my Xperia Z1 through MXPlayer; can’t wait for improvements from the latest version!

  • kaostheory

    It’s the most current sensor they make. What do you want them to use their time machine and get a sensor from the future? The limitations are with Snapdragon and processing power. Even if they made a higher mp it would lag and cause even more overheating.

  • kaostheory

    I get your point, but who has done better?

  • Great Dude

    All apps aren’t yet ready for 4K and won’t benefit from it in the near future, however some games and Icon packs are ready for 2k while photos and some videos can use the 4K on the device and benefit from having a 4K screen.
    4K may help Sony in it reputation and let their phones sell better.

  • jxPerience

    im tired of lollipop interface its very ugly and unpolished especially the icons on top misalligned and different sizes

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    Omg…Did I know make it clear enough to you how you have no idea what you are talking about? Why do you go on spreading all this misinformation? Please just stop. For your own sake, just stop.

    >Yes but we are talking about snapdragon here in Sony’s case, who really couldn’t properly implement the BIG.Little architecture.

    Sony has nothing to do with implementing anything in big.LITTLE (seeing as you wrote the BIG in caption instea, I’m starting to think that you are trollng me). They have nothing whatsoever to do with big.LITTLE or Snapdragon processor. That is something made by ARM, who makes these processor.

    By implementation, what you mean….*cough* don’t know *cough*…is APIs. This is done by Google. You know, the guys who make the OS we know as Android? All Sony or Samsung or any other company do is create their GUI — like TouchWiz or Xperia, etc.

    >”And that is why they are trying to go for 14nm (which is more power efficient) and also quad core custom cores because with no external factors involved,”

    Of course, Sony isn’t trying shit with 14nm, cause Sony isn’t making processors. And big.LITTLE is an improved development of power efficiency in processor.

    >” Which is why qualcomm chose to go for custom quad core architecture like before. Because they CAN implement it better. And because they CAN make it more power efficient and also, it will heat up less.”

    You seriously have no idea how this works, do you? ARM designs the CPUs. It then hands these designs over to Apple, Qualcomm, Mediatek, Samsung etc., who they themselves make their own custom CPUs.

    There is no high-end Qualcomm processor out, or has been out since the introduction of big.LITTLE, that has only 4 cores. Same goes for Samsung or MediaTek. Yes, you are right, 4 of the cores themselves are usually custom for some of the processors in these companies, but they still are six and eight core in total, and they still use heterogeneous computing in full force.

    I honestly don’t get where you get the “heat up less” statement from? How excactly is this in any way attributed to more cores? It’s attributed to the the die size (20nm), one that has proven to be extremely difficult to make for all chip producers (Intel to nVidia to Qualcomm/Samsung: they all have had issues with it).

    >”S6 overheats”

    No, it doesn’t. Unless you have any sources for this, stop writing bullshit.

    >” So does M9. So does Z3+. Some overheat more while others less.”

    No, it is only the 20nm processors of Qualcomm, in particuliar the SD810. Which you find in M9 and Z3+. There’s no ‘some this and some that’; so please, stop your bullshitting. Core count has diddly squat to do with heat dissipation. If you knew anything about heterogeneous computing, you’d know that the improvements in power efficiency that big.LITTLE introduces is actually helping reducing what you claim it increases. The solutions made on earlier, fewer core, CPUs is the constant need to clock the CPU for different tasks at hand. This in itself produces far more energy, and in return also heat, than the big.LITTLE system of activating lower-clocked cores for easy taskes and higher-clocked cores for heavy tasks. This is turn allows for much greater battery time.

    >” Unlike that, an efficient quad core with good optimisation works far better.”

    No, it doesn’t. You have absolutely no basis for making this claim. None at all.

    >”Octa core , right now, is a pure joke. That is why people still prefer core i7 over amd x8 or whatever.”

    First off, people don’t prefer any of the shit you just say. It is yet another claim with no basis from your side. People, as in normal people — the segment we are discussing — have been bitching about Intel adding more cores to their high-end CPUs for years, something Intel finally has done. And the only reason i7 has been preferred over i5 is excactly because of the hyperthreading.

    As for AMD CPUs, no one actually prefers AMD CPUs over Intel, unless money is a limitation. And even at that, the 8350 is sold for so cheap, hardly anyone purchases a fewer core CPU by the company.

    But this still is an irrelevant discussion, as you have no idea what you are talking about. You can’t compare desktop operating systems with mobile operating systems like that.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    No it doesn’t. It does not perform better than Exynos AT ALL. Yes, the phone itself gives a better user experience — I completely agree. But that is because Touchwiz is complete and utter shit. If you take a look at the S6, the Exynos 7420 is an entire generation of performance ahead. And it doesn’t stop there, as its random reading and writing speeds (attributed to UFS 2.0) is somewhere around 3.4 to 4 times faster.

    And yet a Sony device feels better to use — even a Z3 or Z2. It’s the same reason why using a Nexus 4 is a much smoother experience than any other device from that year. Different phone GUIs are optimized on different levels. We have a reached a point with phones where the mobile phones themselves have become the bottlenecks, as IPC has skyrocketed (it will pretty soon end up in a stalemate, like Sandy Bridge for desktop CPUs in 2011). That’s why despite have all the hardware possible to completely crush any competition, Samsung still manages make the competition look just as good/better.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    The same way Exynos chips have Wolfsons DACs?

  • HAWX

    We are talking about ONLY normal interfaces? Simple animations, text etc? Considering most people are on limited budget, why would most people get expensive flagsip device for ONLY texting, simple animations?? And why would chip manufacturers push themselves and bring these much of improvements? For ONLY simple text, animations?

    The rules apply to computer indusrty which has been followed by mobile industry. And the answer is oviously gaming.

    Galaxy S6? S6 is criticized for having inconsistent battery life, inconsistent performance (even compared to updated 810), and overeating issues.

    Z4 Tablet has some frame drops, even in it’s own UI e.g. pulling the notification bar.

    And just look at the most successful smartphone manufacturer Apple’s phone’s resulations. You would have already understood that Full HD is already above average.

    Even Sony said using 2K technology is pointless on 5″ – 5.5″ displays and Sony has no plans to launch 2K display in near future, IN 2015. http://www.xperiablog.net/2015/05/28/sony-has-no-plans-to-launch-2k-display-smartphones-in-near-future/

    And we’re discussing how 4K would be logical choice.

    IF they are still going to use 4K there are 2 ways:

    1st: Changable screen resulation.
    2nd: The Z5+ will be FOR ONLY “simple tasks like texting, playing with UI, internet browsing. And If the devices comes with around 200$ since there are tablets around 150$ and they can doing basic things smoothly, except 4K resulation.

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  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    Web browsing, using regular applications and watching an occasional video/movie is what 95% of users actually use their phones for all the time. Do claim that gaming is why resolution is added is a false claim, and one you made up yourself. Furthermore, many games that support higher resolutions already support the ability to adjust resolution, and I doubt any games would lock it on 4K (or 1440p even today) at any point or time.

    >”Galaxy S6? S6 is criticized for having inconsistent battery life, inconsistent performance (even compared to updated 810), and overeating issues.”

    Samsung phones have been complained about having inconsistent performance since the dawn of man. You know that as well as I. But what you write here is pure fabrication:

    1. S6 has not been criticized for abnormal heating issues.

    2. The inconsistent performance known in regular TocuhWiz devices has actually been mentioned much less on the Galaxy S6 than any other of its non-1440p devices (including those released after the S6). You have to go back all the way back to the S3 to see as much praise the S6 has gotten for performance as it did this year.

    3. The S6 was reported to have battery life a bit below its predecessor by GSMArena. And considering the fact that they cut substantial part of the battery, this makes sense. As DisplayMate, the industry standard for display technology testing, notes, the S6 display is in fact 20% more power efficient than the S5 display — despite 80% more pixels. That takes your whining of resolution out of the equation.

    >”Z4 Tablet has some frame drops, even in it’s own UI e.g. pulling the notification bar.”

    What a load of bullshit. Frame drops or not, you have to compare this to other Z devices, and the fact still remains that the Z4 Tablet by far is the fastest tablet Sony has made, and arguably the only truly successful SD810 device. Look at any reviews if you need proof, or any benchmarks. If the Z4 had any frame drops, those would be existant just as much or more in other tablet by Sony.

    Of course I’m not including gaming on 1600p vs 1080p, where we obviously know the answer, but normal usage.

    The fact that you even bitch about higher resolution on tablets is beyond me. You do realize that 1600p was introduced as early as 2012, on the Nexus 10? A device that still runs as smooth as current Samsung flagship device; a testament of how important the software is, as opposed to hardware.

  • xili

    Should have named Z5 Ultra instead of Z5+….

  • David Lettinga

    What?

    2K is not 1440p

    2K does not equal 1080p

    In the labeling of HD displays they basically switched the way the label the display. 1080p refers to the number of horizontal lines or number of lines from top to bottom.

    When referring to 2K or 4K they refer to the number of vertical lines or side to side.

    They are not the same thing, not sure why people keep saying that they are.

  • Shubham Mutreja

    yes
    z3 had two DACs as seen in teardowns

  • Shubham Mutreja

    BIONZ is a chip manufactured by sony itself
    BIONZ used sony MA07170
    NEXT GEN BIONZ used Sony CXD4115
    Multi core BIONZ used Sony CXD4132
    BIONZ X used Sony CXD90014

    BIONZ is indeed a chip, a very powerful chip in rx100s and alpha series

    Z2 Z3 had BIONZ algorithm

    rx100 showing its bionz http://photos.photo-matix.com.au/img/s1/v56/p331272196-4.jpg

    Sony a7r showing it too http://3.static.img-dpreview.com/files/p/E~TS590x418~articles/2352853254/9.jpeg

    (written as sony cxd9002…)
    Mobile doesnt use same algorithm as Alpha becoz they dont do that heavy sharpening and NR and alpha has highly controllable parameters but our phone doesnt

  • Billy de Fretes
  • HAWX

    It isn’t quite logical to think an android Flagship without it’s gaming ability.

    If the phone has some kind of stutter, lag, they need to Fix that before adding more resulation which will result in more lag,stutter.

    I didn’t claim that the iPhones sets the standarts, but they are the most sold phone models in the world. It gives you ideas about people’s preference, their needs, AND WHAT IS ENOUGH for majority of people.

    Most people complain about S6’s 1 day battery is not enough.”S6 display is in fact 20% more power efficient than the S5 display — despite 80% more pixels.” So it should definitely have more than 20% If they had same pixel count? Why you are accepting that fixed writings completely before using your own logic?

    I didn’t claim that Z4 tablet is a bad tablet. The logic behind is that Z4 tablet is already having some frame drops in 2K, despite having large area to destriute heat. So 4K on smaller footprint SONY device will definitely more stutter and will become more laggy. Again, Logic.

    “Most healthy eyes can actually see the difference. That’s been scientifcally proven. And as long as one can see a difference, then the necessity for higher resolution is there”. Yes. But you need to sacrife from some important factors which in this case are GPU and battery life. That’s basic engineering and it’s always logical.

    And PLEASE READ other people’s comments. They want more battery life, smoother experience more than 4K resulation on a screen size cloese to their dicks. Focus people’s initial needs, and than the oter things like increased resulation. Which iPhones did and succeded. LOGIC

    Only thing that will happen is that Sony will commercialise this thing as “first 4K”. If you’re thinking Sony will outcome the problems 4K brings ,my answer is let’s see

  • HAWX

    It isn’t quite logical to think an android Flagship without it’s gaming ability.

    If the phone has some kind of stutter, lag, they need to Fix that before adding more resulation which will result in more lag,stutter.

    I didn’t claim that the iPhones sets the standarts, but they are the most sold phone models in the world. It gives you ideas about people’s preference, their needs, AND WHAT IS ENOUGH for majority of people.

    Most people complain about S6’s 1 day battery is not enough.”S6 display is in fact 20% more power efficient than the S5 display — despite 80% more pixels.” So it should definitely have more than 20% If they had same pixel count? Why you are accepting that fixed writings completely before using your own logic?

    I didn’t claim that Z4 tablet is a bad tablet. The logic behind is that Z4 tablet is already having some frame drops in 2K, despite having large area to destriute heat. So 4K on smaller footprint SONY device will definitely more stutter and will become more laggy. Again, Logic.

    “Most healthy eyes can actually see the difference. That’s been scientifcally proven. And as long as one can see a difference, then the necessity for higher resolution is there”. Yes. But you need to sacrife from some important factors which in this case are GPU and battery life. That’s basic engineering and it’s always logical.

    And PLEASE READ other people’s comments. They want more battery life, smoother experience more than 4K resulation on a screen size cloese to their dicks. Focus people’s initial needs, and than the oter things like increased resulation. Which iPhones did and succeded. LOGIC

    Only thing that will happen is that Sony will commercialise this thing as “first 4K”. If you’re thinking Sony will outcome the problems 4K brings ,my answer is let’s see.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    >”It isn’t quite logical to think an android Flagship without it’s gaming ability.”

    Yes it is. Most people don’t give a fuck about gaming on mobile phones.

    >”I didn’t claim that the iPhones sets the standarts, but they are the most sold phone models in the world. It gives you ideas about people’s preference, their needs, AND WHAT IS ENOUGH for majority of people.”

    The same way Samsung being the most sold Android phone gives you an idea of what people want in an Android phone? You sure other factors, like marketing, don’t play in? The media? An iPhone being popular is about as much conformation of quality as Justin Bieber being among the most popular singers of all time.

    >”So it should definitely have more than 20% If they had same pixel count? Why you are accepting that fixed writings completely before using your own logic?”

    Why are you purposefully acting like complete fucking baboon, when I keep telling you that the S6 has a fucking smaller battery than the S5? How is the logic behind that hard to comprehend?

    >”The logic behind is that Z4 tablet is already having some frame drops in 2K”

    It doesn’t have any “framedrops”. This is your opinion alone. The Z4 has already been underclocked so much, it does not perform that much better than the SD801 on the Z3 Tablet Compact. I own both, and the Z4 gives better performs the Z3 Compact in every task I have tried.

    Stop making this baseless bullshit.

    Here is a comparison to the Z3 Tablet:

    http://androidphonehub.com/tablets-2/testing-the-sony-xperia-tablet-z4-810-snapdragon-finally-at-ease/#

    The Z4, in the benchmark, gets double the amount of FPS than the SD801. So maybe it’s about time you shut your mouth?

    >”Only thing that will happen is that Sony will commercialise this thing as “first 4K”. If you’re thinking Sony will outcome the problems 4K brings ,my answer is let’s see.”

    Nothing is perfect when it’s first. LG G3 went with 1440p with G3, but also provided horrible display quality and in general bad battery time. They fixed this by G4.

    But if it were up to people like you, we would be in the clusterfuck that we already are in, in the tablet market, where we introduced 1600p three years ago, and we have instead gone backwards down to 1536p for 4:3 aspect ratio (instead of, say, 3200×2400). And the fact that you still bitch and moan about the Z4 having 1600p, when it is equipped with a processor neglected for being a complete catastrophe, and yet manages to have no heat issues, the best battery time of any tablet (including its own predecessors), the thinnest and lightest tablet of its size, and also far better performance — both in benchmarks and in real life (just read the reviews), is beyond me.

    When 4K movies come out to digital distribution next year, I’m gonna want to see it on devices.

    Also, please shut your mouth about Apple. You talk as if Apple’s devices somehow have smoother experience, and that somehow this is because of low resolution. I owned the iPad 3. That device was so bad that I went out and tried the Nexus 7, a budget tablet 1/3 of the iPads price, with hardware that even then was below the iPad 3. It still kicked ass and performed much better than the N7. Even the Nexus 10, which was released with 1600p the same year as the iPad, gave better performance in my eyes.

    So please shut up with this misinformation that you spread — which all seem to have its roots in your paranoia of something that really is not as bad as you think. They have already introduced 4K to ultrabooks, and I have no issue using them. In fact, I find the performance to be comletely the same. It’s when I start start gaming say Counter Striker Global Offensive with Intel’s HD graphics, and i turn the resolution in the game up to 4K i start notice a difference. But who the fuck cares, as long as I can play it smoothly in 1080p?

  • Kevinski Ying

    I think everyone generally agrees that 2k alone is verging on overkill on a screen smaller than 5.5 inch…

    I have always praised Sony for being sensible when it comes to screen resolution, but this is just…wow.

  • Kristo

    I’ve never had Putin clap for me before. Thank you.

  • HAWX

    Another nerd rejecta to use his own braind and thus lost in “facts” on internet and can’t see the whole picture.. Smartphones are produced for money no 1 in mind. In that sense, yes, iPhones are the most succesfull smartphones models today.

    And head of manufacturers don’t give a fuck about what nerds say about anything. They care about how much money turned into more money.

    And I didin’t know give a fuck about Justin Bieber.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    Then go buy an iPhone and quit moaning.

  • HAWX

    I didin’t said I want an iPhone.

    Seems like you want a dick race with people instead of comprehending. Good luck with your life.

    But know that: You will always be a screaming puppet of products and infos they want you to believe. Nothing beyond that.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    There is nothing to discuss cause all your misinformation has been exposed. You complained about how resolution caused this and this and this issue, and I showed that you actually were basing all on assumptions and that they were all false. I mean, take the Z4 Tablet. It’s the living embodiment of this fact. Having upped the resolution to 1600p, making the device thinner and lighter, it still managed to give double the FPS performance as the Z3 did, and it still gave a much better performance in all the usual tasks than the Z3. And battery time? The best.

  • Quark Gluon

    Read the comments you want to reply carefully, not just the textbook. He was correcting the confusion about 2K and 1440p display. Of course 1440 or even 1080 is the height and has nothing to do with 2K which is the length. But the most common aspect ratio nowdays is 16:9 hence 1080p is the nearest resolution to 2K between the two.

  • HAWX

    ……..
    If this 4K device will have fixed res., same performance and battery life with given same capacity of battery and 810 as with Z4 Tablet, you will be right. I will stfu.

    Otherwise, up to you..

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    Why the hell would it have the SD810, when a newer14nm SD chip (for example 820), that would be much cooler, give much better performance (that includes better GPU) would be out by that point?

  • Alvin

    No. Based on your comments, you don’t get my point.

    They brought many improved and new things from Z3+ to Z5, even bigger updates than z to z1, z1 to z2, z2 to z3, and z3 to z3+

  • HAWX

    I believe that it will be out by 2016?

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    If you are talking about the phone, then you can’t make a comparison to the Z4 tablet, but the Z3+ (or Z3, if you’d like) in battery life, performance, etc. I doubt Sony will jump straight to 4K and skip 1440p, but I do believe they (or someone else) will up the resolution from 1600p/1536p at a certain point, as tablets have been in a stalemate of unused potential the last 2-3 years. Sony has taken advantage of this by making their tablet extremely thin and light (that includes not having too big of a battery), as well as producing battery time that with Z4 passes ultrabooks in battery time. Samsung could easily have introduced 4K (2160p) with their new Exynos 7420 processor, but insted opted for a thinner and lighter (meaning smaller battery, but most likely better battery time than its predecessor) 4:3 Tab S2 on 1536p. After all, the Nexus 10 that they introduced back in 2012 with 1600p, ran fine with a processor that was not even half as powerful. Not to mention less power efficient chip, or display.

  • HAWX

    So what? I believe there is not only one person writing from this account.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    “Not only one person”, what the hell? Is that supposed to be your latest personal attack attempt?

  • Esv80

    I still use my Sony Xperia Z1 to this day. It can run almost all apps flawlessly at 1080p.
    The camera looks just as good as when I bought the phone.
    Internet browsing is always smooth. It can even handle the old flash player for some basic flash games, and video players using flash run very smooth as well.

    The battery, on Stamina Mode, is still phenomenal! Since my phone’s debut years ago, to this day, my phone can still outlast most Samsung Galaxy phones. (Friends and family complain about Samsung’s battery life.) And I’m a power user! Which means, I game a lot, watch a lot of videos, web browsing etc on my Z1.

    Lastly, my phone already might be considered “old” but beside wanting a larger screen, I have no complaints about Sony!

    I’ve had Samsung, LG, Motorola, Blackberry, phones, and in my opinion, I like Sony’s phone best. Simple UI, very little bloatware, awesome specs all around, you get the point. Haha

    I’m hoping that Sony will announce the Sony Xperia Z5 Ultra in next month’s IFA!
    Hopefully, that phone will be my next upgrade!

  • why didn’t they use IMX240 with Z3+ ? it is the same sensor in S6 and it kicks out beautiful photos

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  • Melfes Wired

    that is just the name of the chip, it actually still uses the standard ARM structure, like Canon’s Digic 5.

    but that doesn’t matter anyway

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  • Arda Akca

    Well I have been waiting for 2 years for the next Ultra. It’s about time

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    +1 for camera software. It’s a must.

  • Arda Akca

    Just a question. If S6 went for 1080P with the same hardware what would happen to its battery life? Estimate a percentage. Would it be same with S5? I am just curious and want direct info (since you seem like an educated fella).
    Again when using the camera would 4K display ruin the user experience because SD810 is not very good?
    Because by looking at the UAProf I expect Sony to use SD810 SoC. Think they won’t wait for 820 unfortunately. Thanks in advance.

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    Hard to say, since the technology they use for higher display efficiency can be connected to a specific resolution, or not very much connected to resolutio as to other parts. So it can be everything from 1-15%.

    The reason I say this is because I have a Sony Vaio Pro at 1920×1080 at home. I have also previously owned a Samsung Ativ Book 9 with 3200×1800 resolution. And I have tested turning the resolution of the Vaio down to 1280×720 when watching 720p videos on the train to see if the battery increased, and the Ativ Book 9 to 1920×1080 for 1080p videos. I honestly got no noticable increase. Neither did I get noticable increase in user experience, performance, etc.

  • Arda Akca

    But does it downscale it or just turns off the leds. If it downscales it won’t have any effect but if it turns off the corresponding leds then you are right. I just don’t know :). But I believe since SD810 is already problematique, with the 4K display the camera department could get messy in terms of heat. Well some rumors say (@ricciolo in twitter) Sony is considering water cooling! Anyways cheers!

  • Lisa Naarseth Myklebust

    You might be into something. That they will do what they did with the “Remastered in 4K” bullshit collection of theirs, where they released films in 1080p blu ray. What good does it do remastering it in 4K assholes, when the pixel count is equivalent of 2K (all modern films are also already filmed in 4K or higher).

  • r41nier

    Actually games on high resolution screens (like 4K) are rendered on lower resolution (like 1080p) and then just upscaled to the native resolution. So there is no difference in GPU usage/Battery consumption.

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  • HAWX

    On 4K, yes. For now.
    But your theory doen’t explain about what happened to G3.
    Or why nexus 6 and One M9 sometimes have better gaming performance than the S6, evethough it’s chipset is better.

  • SkyMeow

    Great!! Hope this is true. This is exactly what sony should be making. Not just any typical phone that other companies can make. Innovation, and challenge new things before the competitors. That is what sony used to do. Last several years, Sony played too safe. Time to go aggressive like the old days.

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  • HAWX

    With regards,
    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/01/xperia-z5-premium-your-4k-display-technology-questions-answered/

    “Xperia Z5 Premium uses its 4K display when you’re viewing either the 4K content you’ve captured using your device or third-party 4K content from streaming services – all other content (including the homescreen and apps) are displayed in 1080p Full HD or lower resolution to simply optimise performance, power consumption and battery stamina so you can use the device for up to two days without charging.”

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