New Sony Xperia hits the FCC; strong hint of no 3.5mm headphone jack

by XB on 21st January 2018

in Rumours


A new Sony Xperia device has landed at the FCC with ID PY7-21831A. There’s not normally much to find in these FCC documents, but it looks like this time might be different. A number of schematics images appear to strongly hint that this could be the first Sony Xperia device to drop the 3.5mm headphone jack, which would be a massive shame if true.

First of all, the FCC ID label appears to be now located on the top of the handset – where the 3.5mm headphone jack is normally located. On previous Sony Xperia devices, this label/sim tray was located on the side of the handset. Then there is an image and table that shows the use of a combined USB / headphone jack cable.

There is a strong likelihood that this device is one of the upcoming flagship Sony Xperia handsets. The documents highlight it has overall dimensions of 152.79 x 72.42 mm, with a 5.7-inch screen diagonal, and it’s unclear if Sony will continue with a conventional 16:9 display, or adopt the tall skinny 18:9 ratio. We’ll bring you any more news as soon as we have it.

The schematic points to a single USB port that will be used for charging and audio

The table highlights the use of a combined USB/headphone cable

The FCC ID label will be located on the top of the Sony Xperia – where the headphone jack used to be

Thanks Alvin, AndroPlus, KF, Moisés, P.Lis, Yusef!

  • shumayal

    Good sony.. We might not like this but this is what the blind sheep want and this is what will make profits then so be it!

  • Ther9reatSkull

    The only good thing about this is how the waterproof will be more stronger, Also we maybe see a slim devices.

  • Ther9reatSkull

    I don’t think the customers will buy a device because it doesn’t have a headphone jack!

  • Bennder
  • I personally don’t mind if they ditch 3.5mm jack as long as they include the dongle on the retail box, but I’m sure this is a step-back for Sony if the rumor is true.

  • Heh, try to listen to music while charging. Ofc using wired headphones…

  • Moisés

    Iphone, Pixel and U11 have lower IP67.
    When 2014 Z3 had IP68.

  • RadRed

    I don’t think the waterproof would be “stronger” without a headphone jack as seen in the HTC U11. Plus, if you’re asking for a slimmer device, you’re asking for a phone that bends easier than American silverware spoons.

  • Barricade

    Those are still some rather big top and bottom bezels for a 5.7″ display, regardless of the aspect ratio. Either way, a couple of days ago I held an XZ Premium in my hands die the first time, and my god is that thing beautiful. I hope their new flagships are as well!

  • theskig

    This is really bad. Why the hell you’re dropping all those useful features???

  • Thariq Mohammed

    FCC logo on top means sim tray location, and not much bigger bezels for a 18:9 display (152mm and 72.4mm body for 5.7″ display).
    FYI, LG G6 has a 5.7″ 18:9 display and the dimension is 148mm and 71.9mm.
    As per my guess FPS will be on the side, since the phone is wider than G6( same 5.7″ display) as the previous Xperia.

  • Zayed Kotayba

    IDK but it seems that they will move the FPS on the back just like with XA2 and XA2 Ultra

  • mixedfish

    That’s what it was like for basically every phone in 10 years ago. I can’t believe how people are willing to revert back.

  • John ford

    I don’t listen to music that much, so it’s not a big deal for me as long as Sony makes noticable design changes. Still it could be a dealbreaker for some

  • Juan Carlos

    To put a bigger battery!!

  • MrWalker1000

    leave it to sony to make great moves then make one dumb ass decision to ruin it. Don’t support this phone if it doesn’t have 3.5mm jack.

  • Gary Ohanian

    In 10+ years using mobiles, I’ve used a headphone jack maybe 5 times and in all those circumstances, it wasn’t something I needed to do.

    I have no issues with ditching the jack.

  • RockStar2005

    Yeah I’ve checked it (XZP) too at my local Best Buy. Watched some 4K HDR vids on it via YouTube as well. INSANE!! The phone itself (in Black) IMO makes a joke out of every other phone in the store. lol

  • MrWalker1000

    how nice did the videos in 4k hdr look?

  • RockStar2005

    Hey MrWalker. Been a while!

    Insane man! I mean, at 5.5″, I felt the screen was large enough to appreciate the difference. So I for one am VERY excited to see what the XZ Premium 2 aka XZ Pro looks like.

  • a.mubher

    There is a dongle for that. Charging and listening to music at the same time. I hope that would be the one included in the box.

  • Ther9reatSkull

    I am not asking for anything but just hoping if they remove it they will do it for good reasons, back in time when apple released iPhone 7 people said they removed the headphone jack for making it waterproof so I guess if this is true then Sony phones will finally stop drowning.

  • 3_nity

    Maybe my last phone from Sony is Sony Xperia XZ1 and XZ1 Compact

  • Ther9reatSkull

    I am not talking about numbers, let’s see the real life tests for me -badly- My Z5 was dead last year after trying to take a silfe with friends in the pool and I am sure it’s not only me.

  • 3_nity

    Not for me, dud.

  • MrWalker1000

    just when you think sony is making a comeback they do dumb things to just completely ruin it. I might just buy the xz1/XZP on discount if they continue such bs. I guess the entire industry is going that way but if you’re the only manufacturer who constantly provides good phones with a headphone jack more people will be willing to buy your product.

  • SeVeMaS

    Years before Apple had phones, Sony said once that the jack need to become digital so each headphone as is own sound in any device and not different sound depending on the sound card on different devices. I believe that we can keep the jack and auto-detect if the headphones are digital or analog.
    This is a no for me, I don’t want to carry an adapter all the time.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Ask HTc about profits since they removed it.
    Just hoping there will be an alternative headphone dedicated second USB C or sth.
    But if this stupid trend following is true, This is indeed end of Sony mobile.
    If indeed true, I am first to unsupport…
    Will just say: “thank you Sony for dissapointing your longtime fans, good riddens.”
    Going elsewhere…

  • Chris Robins

    With new management in Sony that begun a few years back, splitting each department as their own individual business, Sony Mobile might have decided this on a few reasons:

    1. To increase sales of the Walkman series as dedicated music players as well as the recently announced bluetooth headphones.
    2. To put in a larger battery or some other fancy hardware (better camera solution)

    As a fan myself, reasons going with Sony are simple: their build quality is phenomenal (still using the Xperia Z1 and going strong). However I have to admit that Sony phones are lacking in many aspects when compared to other manufactures – one being the camera, second being the system software – with the camera software being much better than before but both still can be improved in terms of fluidity. It is a shame every time a new generation of phones come out, each of these areas still hasnt been addressed fully.

    The Sony Mobile team should really think about their decisions… Sure many manufactures have removed the Mic jack but Sony begun itself as a Music company — at least for consumer’s sake; dont follow the lead but rather lead the industry to see that headphone Jacks are still the way forward.

    Innovating the future has been on Sony’s list of agendas lately, sometimes WIRED is still better than WIRELESS. UNFORTUNATELY, IT MIGHT BE THE END OF SONY MOBILE, MAY I SAY R.I.P IF THIS DECISION DOES MAKE IT ONTO MARKET!

  • Francis Troy Fabrigas

    My fanboyism to Sony might just drop from 100% to a measly 25%.
    I don’t like where this trend is going, but I wish that adapter with headphone jack and USB C port is true.
    Sony phones aren’t really known to have the best headphone jack quality I gotta say, but this might just be the perfect solution to it.

    Besides, Sony is just taking some risk here. Instead of just standing still, playing it safe with little to no progress, they’ve decided to try new things out. After all, this is what we all want from each and every smartphone manufacturer.

    But knowing Sony, I don’t think they would actually remove the jack really. They are always the last to follow the trend, so when the time goes that all manufacturers finally ditch the headphone jack, Sony might be the last company to keep it.

  • Antero Masonen

    I was complaining allways about the No headphone Jack but If Sony drops it to i guess its the progress. I also think that they include some wireless headphones for preorder

  • Ziggy

    Come on Sony, I hope they are not idiots like Apple and Google.

    Sony already has achieved waterproof and dustproof phones years ago and they don’t need the excuse of removing the 3,5mm headphone jack for that.

    Nothing is more stupid than having to use detaching dongles for charging and music listening cables.

    If this senseless insanity goes on, next Sony will announce that the flagship phones of 2018 will also stupidly have the fingerprint reader in the back instead of on the side with the power button.

  • Fryderyk AugustIV

    Maybe it will be on the right like in the xa2 and l2?

  • Probably they will announce a new audio technology for a better audio with USB-C

  • Aiden Pearce

    Damn, there goes another of favorite device manufacturer.
    I hope its not true. Already sales are not that great and this happens….Sony will regret.

  • theskig

    Yes, because it’s impossible to fit a large battery and an audio jack.

  • It’s a very rare occasion for me

  • KarFar

    Haha everybody is talking about the jack, no one noticed the phone is 81% stb in case of 16:9 or 76% in case of 18:9 (taller LG G6)..

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    Ah man why though? Whyyyyy????? I recently bought a NC headset as well.
    If they’re going in this direction they should at least bring wireless charging. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6cf025f20fd81ef825c53559dd19f080559455d481d98a9e7e511ea1f2989a34.jpg

  • Great Dude

    Holding a dongle everywhere is annoying in itself.

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    Well I have to disagree with you, First of all system software isn’t bad. It’s really smooth and no lag.(Maybe since you’re still using Z1??) but I agree with you about camera software that it can be better plus they should’ve introduced OIS from the beginning and improve that in overtime.
    Sony Mobile has been doing what they think is right and I guess they’re continuing to do so, also recently (If you read the article here and other sites) Kazo Hirai mentioned that they’re not quitting mobile industry.

    But I agree that they shouldn’t remove the headphone jack at least for another year. Then again bluetooth headsets are getting better and better, their WH-1000x series have proven that.

  • iia3ezu

    No headphone jack = no sale.

    Will switch to Samsung or other brands if that happens.

  • iia3ezu

    The reason for removing the 3.5mm audio jack is so the phone can (in theory) be further slimmed down. Which was what the Google Pixel 2 and the newer iPhones did.

    If Sony removes the 3.5mm audio jack but keeps the big fat bezels, it’s a big insult.

  • mountain

    I have a balanced to 3.5mm adapter already hanging at the end of my headphones. Adding a extra 3.5mm to USB-C adds stupidity in looks, but still acceptable. Plus USB-C theoritically have a higher power output, so the headphones should sound better.

  • Moisés

    It has nothing to do with bezel or thickness.

  • Moisés

    Edge to edge like XA.

  • Moisés

    They are forgetting that no matter what Apple may ditch the iphone will sell tons and tons. Most ppl buy because it is an iPhone.

    Like someone here said below, HTC shot own foot doing this.
    Htc would be my 2nd choice. Except the lack of front speaker and jack the U11 is more than great.

  • Moisés

    Huawei Mate 10 is LCD, ip68, 80% screen and has jack.
    Battery is 4000mAh.

  • Moisés

    If it is edge to edge like XA, each bezels would lose 4-5mm.

  • Moisés

    It depends, my schoolmate has the XA Ultra. Before that he had Z1 ( IP58).
    He used under water very often.

  • Moisés

    All Xperia certified have screen 16:9.
    Power as FPS is gone, so they can sell it in USA.

  • Barricade

    I have done the math.

    Phone: 152.79 x 72.42 mm
    16:9 aspect ratio: 126 x 71 mm
    2:1 aspect ratio: 129 x 65 mm

    This means side bezels of either .7mm or 3.7mm each (which is still less than iPhone X may I mention) and a top and bottom bezel of either 13.4mm or 11.9mm, still rather big, as I said.

    But these dimensions are pretty much a smaller version of my Nexus 6P, so sounds good to me, if the design is right.

  • hansip

    i don’t really mind for dongle 3.5mm but:
    1. Somebody must build a battery-replaceable wireless headphone. Changing headphone just because their battery is dead is stupid!
    2. the device must come with bigger battery. No compromise!

  • Nishikanta

    Well its a ploy to sell those LDAC enabled bluetooth earbuds which cost at least 250 equivalent to 6 soundmagic e10c

  • Talos the Robot

    I have to say that after i started to use the LDAC headphones i have stopped using the 3,5mm jack most of the times. The only time i still use 3,5mm jack is when i connect my phone to an old Hi-Fi system through a L/R Audio Auxiliary Y Cable.
    But i think that in the future they should include a 4,4mm balanced audio output which eliminates any type of environmental noise it is the best audio hardware solution right now and even better than LDAC or any other type of software because Bluetooth signals will always interfere with external noises caused by any type of microwave radiation on the environment.

  • 3_nity

    Schematic like an idiot

  • Chris Robins

    mmmmm, well i got to say, i haven’t used any phone past the Z1, but from my experience, most android phones do not have the system optimised for the device, its really good to hear that Sony has been working on this area.

    Big fan of their Walkman series and headphones too, hope they come out with something new adding to their line of XBA series at MWC this year

  • Emil Oskarsson

    The fingerprint readers new location is because if the idiotic patent system in USA, Sony would have to pay millions to HP in royalties for use of a combined power button and fingerprint reader… So I kinda understand sonys decision there because they want to release phones in the US with the fingerprint reader activated :)

  • Vuyo Ncube

    Ooooooooor they can keep the headphone jack and advertise USB audio on the side?!

  • Orion X

    Stupid Decision

    But the dongle has an option of charging while playing audio,that’s a nice compromise.

    Kinda dissapointed that the pioneers of Audio Equipment would do such a thing.But they better have a damn good explanation for it,Because Not many people have the same committed fanbase as Apple and Not everyone is gonna be happy.

  • theskig

    The funny thing is that XA2 Ultra has EVERYTHING I’ll need:

    – Dual SIM + microSD slot
    – 3.5 mm audio jack
    – FM radio

    So, this new flagship will be just a show phone without features, in order to compete with your friend’s iPhone X when you’re at the pub?

  • kaostheory

    The only way this works is if they come out with the best quality sound from USB on any device. Also must have a bullet proof USB as charging alone has killed all my USBs. And of course must have wireless charging. So what happens to noise canceling built-in?

  • KIMI

    Sink the ship goes.
    That’s the last straw, I’ll be holding on to my Z5 till it dies.

  • David Hvatov

    Bye sony! Z2 is my last phone from sony. I won’t buy phone without 3,5mm headphone jack.

  • David Hvatov

    What a dumb answer..

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Kaz Hirais thoughts on removing the jack, from CES 2017:

    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/science-technology/754494/Apple-iPhone-7-Sony-boss-Kazuo-Hirai-Xperia-headphone-port

    “Sony boss, Kazuo Hirai, is not convinced removing the headphone port is such a good idea.
    Speaking to Express.co.uk at the CES technology show in Las Vegas he told us: “There is a lot of merit in headphone jacks.
    If we’re talking about improving the audio quality of music coming out of smartphones there are newer balanced jacks that we have developed in Japan.
    “It’s a different form factor jack but it provides for a better sound quality in Hi-Res Audio.
    So, if we want to continue to improve the sound quality maybe saying goodbye to the headphone jack is not such a great idea – especially on the premium smartphones that will be coming on to the market soon.”

    So, I firmly believe they are introducing the new balanced 4.4 mm jack from their walkman series into smartphones. Thus moving the 3.5 mm option down to USB C dongle…..

  • AudioAw

    It’ll definitely be an inconvenience for many users and it’ll be hard for Sony to justify the reason for removing it. On the other hand, I don’t think it’s a bad move because the Xperia phones always had terrible audio output from it’s 3.5mm. No amount of DSEE Or Clear Audio processing will help. Moving the components externally could mean a better out of the box listening experience if they include an adapter with proper audio hardware in it.

  • RockStar2005

    Yeah I’d prob be the same. I’d appreciate NOT having to buy the adapter/dongle separately too.

  • RockStar2005

    Yeah they have ’em out there. For Apple too.

  • ozanyalcn45

    Galaxy s8 has a beautiful bezel less design and also has 3.5mm audio jack

  • Zayed Kotayba

    Yes that’s pretty much what I’ve expected

  • usersparadise

    If they offer better audio quality and some nice USB-headphones in the retail box I could live with that. I´m much more interested what they will show us in terms of camera. Maybe a bigger sensor or s.th. like that because without the headphone jack there´s more place in this area.

  • Wolf0491

    Ok well my xz premium will still last me a while….but here is to hoping at least 1 manufacturer will still have headphone jack in 2 years or so when i need an upgrade

  • Scribble One

    i hope this news is just rumors cause ditching the headphone would really mess out the company sales as it has also degraded in the past few years. I feel bad for Sony as it was one of my best brands few tears back but now things are a little bit different. BUCKLE UP SONY!

  • Senior Deplorable

    NOOOOOO Sony, ignore crApple and leave it alone. Bring back the FM radio while you’re at it.

  • Moisés

    It is certified…

    It is true

  • Moisés

    HP has nothing to do with it..

    They had to do it when the deal with a CDMA carrier was undone. The Z3+ was going to have its cdma version like z3 had. The phone was cancelled then.

    In 2015 july, Apple started papers to own power as FPS. Now they have the rights.

  • Moisés

    No matter the screen ratio.
    FPS on power button is gone forever.
    They want to sell it enable in USA.

    Edge to Edge design increases body ratio. Also an info from insiders says 81% screen.
    Sony wont have 18:9. They would have to change own apps, which would spend more money.
    Remote Play would have black bars. Cant change the games ratio.

    And also the movies that fit well in 16:9 but not in 18:9.

  • Barricade

    But movies have black bars since they’re usually not 16:9. And if Razer can do it, Sony could figure it out with HP regarding that patent for the side-mounted fingerprint scanner.

    But 16:9 is indeed superior for media consumption, although I prefer 18:9 myself for more displayed content on screen when browsing the web, in twitter, facebook and the likes.

    81% screen-to-body ratio would be great for me!

  • NinJy

    I think XZ Pro is even another model range.
    It seems higher end than XZ Premium (minus the newer technologies ofc).
    The phone seems more bigger and 2 cameras.

    I would not be surprise if Sony announce new XZ serie with “low end” Compact, regular, “high end” Premium, and that “super high end” Pro models.

  • Mentobi

    This Right here is the correct answer. it rather pisses me off when I see The Verge, and Buzzfeed, and Kotaku for god sakes saying “for reasons that no one knows the scanner is disabled in the US”

    No, we do know. your just lazy ass journalists.

  • Mentobi

    Oh my god, it’s beautiful. it’s shocking how much difference there is.

  • RockStar2005

    That is very interesting NinJy. I hope Sony Mobile announces BOTH (if there are 2, as there usually are) Xperia flagships for 2018 at MWC, not just 1. But we will see.

    I just wanna see them do well this year. I hope they also put some money into ADVERTISING their phones this year too here in the U.S. I feel that because of their name they should be doing more to compete against Samsung and Apple. HTC and even LG are not as well known IMO as Sony, so they need to capitalize more on it and have some faith.

  • RockStar2005

    Agreed. My Best Buy still has it on display, so perhaps if ppl reading this look around, they can find a BB that still has it on display.

  • RockStar2005

    lol

  • RockStar2005

    Moisés wait………..are you saying Apple owns the “Power button on FPS” patent now???? Please explain in detail.

    CDMA carrier? You mean VERIZON?!! lol

  • Barricade

    Why not upgrade your headphones to USB C ones in 2 years or so? (Genuine question)

  • Wolf0491

    Cause the only time I use actual wired headphones is in bed while phone is charging same time

  • Ana Helušić

    Lol, bravo Sony, bravo, anybody in the house???

  • Khillo81

    What about the Pixel2?

  • Barricade

    There’s a dongle so you can do just that. And since you only use headphones on that one specific occasion, you could just have the dongle permanently attached to your bedroom charger.

  • Wolf0491

    Still sounds like unnecessary chang to me.

  • Barricade

    It’s not an unnecessary change, it’s a step to the future.

  • Wolf0491

    Future sucks then lol. They better add wireless charging or something then IMO.

  • Barricade

    Future doesn’t suck (wireless charging is something ‘futuristic’ as well). It’s just that people don’t like change, eventhough if it’s a big trend (like ditching the headphone jack is becoming), it usually turns out for the best.

    It’s a miracle actually that the 3.5mm headphone jack has existed for this long without any changes to it. That’s rather unusual in the ever changing tech industry.

  • Wolf0491

    I don’t have a problem with going to the future. But if headphones and the charging cable are going to use the same exact port…. Give us 2 USB slots…. These are basically little computers in our pocket after all. So why not

  • Barricade

    I have thought about 2 USB slots as well, but then again I don’t really ever use my headphones while I’m charging my phone, so it’s not necessary for me personal. But ofcourse I don’t know if I’m in the minority for this or not.

    I think I’ve read somewhere Oneplus has also thought about this but decided to go with a headphone jack instead, could be something we see on one of their future devices though. And IF that happens, I’ll be interesting to find out if other manufacturers will follow.

  • Wolf0491

    I mean it could have other uses as well. Maybe you want to quick charge at same time you are transferring stuff to a PC and the PC can’t output enough juice to quick charge. I’m sure there may be other uses as well. I’ve heard complains from people who use Android auto that there phone dies while using it because car ports can’t charge faster than the battery dies. So data could go the the car port and they could have a quick charger in other.

  • RockStar2005

    Moisés what’s your answer?

    I found an article which backs up what you’re saying, but was hoping for further clarification. Thanks!

  • NinJy

    Yeah same.
    I’m sure they will release great phones, as usual, but I really don’t understand the miss of marketing here.
    I didn’t know that in US there is not much advertising too..
    In Europe there is no ad anywhere… You can only see Samsung and Apple on both TV or press…
    And strangely, in Asia, they put more money on it and you can easily find Xperia ads in everyday life.

    I don’t understand… They know how to sell PlayStation here, why they don’t do the same?

  • RockStar2005

    Yeah man……….for the Z5 a few years ago I saw this ad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aRwkJWHzC8 which doesn’t even have Bond in it lol) run on one of my Cable TV channels for about a month, and then it vanished. Aside from that, I haven’t seen a TV (or even print ad including billboard) ad ever on TV that I can recall. Then in 2015 they stopped selling through the major carriers here which from the chart I saw made their sales PLUMMET here in the U.S.

    Yeah but it depends where in Europe. I know a girl who loves Sony products too who lives in Sweden. She told me there Sony has JUST as much presence as Samsung does, maybe more. And guess what……..Sony does PRETTY well there too! Yeah in Asia I’m not surprised either that they are so big since they are Asian themselves.

    I don’t either man. These phones are INCREDIBLE, yet they don’t even bother marketing for them except ads on YouTube……..ads ONLY PPL WHO WERE PROB GONNA BUY SONY XPERIA PHONES ANYWAY are gonna watch! lol Yeah I didn’t get that either. Just makes it more clear to have it be one letter.

  • NinJy

    Ha you’re right, I think it was on TV too this one.
    I live in France, and there is no ads anywhere afaik. (Maybe some on internet but µblock…).
    But not sure it is the best exemple, I know Sony phones (and other products) always sold good by default here. I would not be surprise if they are 3rd behind huge marketing of Sam/apple.
    So they may be profitable somehow.
    I don’t know for other big markets like UK or Germany..

    You’re right, carriers are the best marketplace… No surprise if they doomed their charts lol.

    They seriously should try to be more aggressive, they have cool stuff like 4K and super slowmo that would attract ppl for exemple.

    And you will see Samsung will do same shit with S9, advertise it as hell like they made it first, and everyone will believe it, just because they had no idea it was here before.

    Hopeless.

  • RockStar2005

    France? Nice!

    It seems like they treat UK better though. Like you guys always get the bundled ear phones or docks but we NEVER do. lol

    I agree. Sony has some great options on their phones. Yeah haha……..I could see Samsung doing that, and yeah ppl believing it too cuz they don’t know any better. lol

    Well hopefully Sony Mobile turns things around this year. I’ve already seen many improvements on the XA line with the XA2 which comes out next month. BIGGER battery, bigger screens, FS, metal not plastic bodies, Snapdragon instead of MediaTek processors, new body design, great camera, etc. And all that for only $350 U.S.! If that is any indication to how the flagships are gonna be improved, then we’re in for a REAL treat! lol

  • Me

    Just because Sony removes 3.5 mm headphone jack, all guys are disappointed but not for me if these things are true like 4K OLED, dual high-end cameras with OIS(maybe?), new design, fps available in USA, and Iris scanner(maybe?)

    I don’t think this is the end of Sony Xperia. Long live Sony Xperia !

    I know ditching 3.5 mm headphone is a bad idea. But maybe they can get more sales in US if the fps is available.

  • shumayal

    Most customers don’t care. That’s why HTC and IPhone sell.

  • NinJy

    I just saw in the news this morning that Sony got the offer to quipe the french Police with 67000 Xperia X et 18300 Xperia Z4 tablets.
    They found how to empty the stock… haha

    Yes you’re right, there is always a headset or 100€ refunded… I got the XZP for the price of XZ1 and months before it…

    They seems to go to the way Kaz hirai said, making phone for more higher end markets than trying to compet against cheap chinese low ends. And good thing they stop Mediatek chips… lol.

    But I still think that they are not making as much as money on each Premium phone sold than the regular high end model.
    There is a market for these phones but it still a limited volume and materials used seems quite more expensive.
    At least for Sony… the premium Galaxy or iPhone seems just the same phone except the size, and more or less the same price difference…

  • RockStar2005

    That’s awesome! Those French policemen are in for a REAL treat then! lol

    Nice. Yeah we don’t get any of that stuff here. Sale or deal? Gotta wait MONTHS after the phone is released before that will even MAYBE happen. lol

    Yeah they got rid of their budget line last year, well except for the L series. Or they will be making MUCH less of them I believe and yeah focus on midrangers and flagships.

    Well they’ve already admitted they don’t really profit much from it, but they believe that phones will keep them “in the loop” of the next big thing. I don’t care really. Just keep making them! lol Well, I do care in that I hate that their phones are still like a big secret here in the U.S. Most people here don’t even know they make phones to be honest NinJy.

    As long as they sell their flagships for cheaper than Samsung, I think they always have a great shot at profiting here. But they will never be anything of importance here as long as they refuse to sell through carriers and advertise. People like to buy familiar brands, and being a Sony isn’t enough. People know Sony TVs, Playstation, etc, but not smartphones. Selling online and at Best Buy isn’t enough as most people here buy their phones at the carrier stores not Best Buy IMO.

    I consider Sony’s phones to be superior to both Samsung’s and Apple’s, but I hate that since they went unlocked-only here in the U.S. that they haven’t been certifying their flagships with my carrier T-Mobile for VoLTE. Without that certification, I can’t access T-Mobile’s Band 12 signal, and in some areas, Band 12 (which is MUCH stronger than the regular bands) is the only signal available. Overall really, the reception will never be as good w/o VoLTE. The XZ1 Compact from last Fall was certified, but that’s not even a flagship! lol There is a way to root the XZ Premium and XZ1 too I guess to have it, but man I don’t wanna do that. That’s why I got the LG V30 for now (locked, from T-Mobile). No issues or problems, and this phone is incredible too! I still think Sony’s camera is a notch better or at least more consistent, but on battery life (93 hours per GSM Arena), 6-inch screen (2K), reception, call and audio quality (Quad DAC KILLS it ftw!), premium quality, 18:9 vs. 16:9, etc…. the V30 is king. Sony needs to certify VoLTE with T-Mo, go 18:9, and advertise here to really make a dent.

  • Roy

    YES! I don’t see what the big deal is about this. Every phone I’ve ever had (brand varies) had the same issue with the jack, poor contact, only one earbud working untill you fiddle with the jack in the socket. I’d gladly do away with it and use the charging port with an adapater or a wireless earphone. Gladly I say.

  • severn sea

    One of the reasons Sony fans like their phones is BECAUSE they stuck with LCD, bezels and so on. Personally I prefer LCD because I find the colours on Amoled unnatural and too vivid, and I prefer bezels so you’re not getting fingerprints around the edge of your screen.

    I do prefer a screen with a curved edge as it had a better feel to it s when swiping in particular, but the “edge” functions on the Samsungs don’t interest me and when the screen goes right to the side of the phone you lose some of the screen if it’s curved, not so if the curve is over the bezel. I also prefer a wider 16:9 format rather than taller screen, I don’t think you gain much just by making a screen a little taller.

    I’ve always been against doing away with the headphone port but having said that normally use Wireless headphones so if I’m honest I would have to concede that it’s probably not really that big a deal any more, but would still prefer the option.

    But I’m guessing that as wireless charging improves, built in e-sims become the norm and on board storage increases alongside increased cloud storage use, the phone with no ports on it at all is probably no more than a couple of years away and will be the standard within five years. What I will hate is Apple will probably be the ones to introduce it.

  • Aiden Pearce

    LCDs may be good but new AMOLEDs are better and its up-to company to integrate the viewing modes, for eg. oneplus has RGB, DCP-I etc modes to tune the panel. I don’t agree with the bezel part, its your personal pref, that you like bezels but as the trend is now, almost every one wants less bezel. why do you think people are buying iPhone X even though it cost 1000$ ?
    same goes for S8/S8+.
    And i don’t agree that people love Sony for LCD and bezels, fans are fans whatever you give they buy. there was time when i was never using any other phone except Sony, but they screwed with Z3+ and later non was mine choice i tried Z5 Dual but was not satisfied and till now i am waiting for my next flagship from Sony. maybe in 2018 but completely against 3.5mm removal.

  • severn sea

    Whether AMOLEDs are better or not is irrelevant. Betamax was better than VHS but most people bought VHS, so it’s not necessarily the best that sells.

    I did say it was my preference to have a larger bezel on a phone so there’s nothing to agree or disagree with, it’s just my own preference. I can’t speak for everybody else any more than anybody else can (and on that point you’re assuming people are buying the iPhone X because it has a bezel free design – in fact sales have been disappointing – Apple’s words not mine – and most Apple customers still prefer their traditional designs, based on sales).

    All I can say for certain is that most people buy phones primarily based on design – no really, tell your average teenage girl or person over fifty, or most other people for that matter, women in particular who are generally less tech savvy, that this phone has 4GB RAM, 64GB ROM, a 50MP camera, AMOLED screen, 2.3GHz quad core processor, bezel less screen etc. etc. and they won’t have a clue what you’re talking about. The first impression most people get of a phone is the design, the way it looks, and in most cases it’s the way it looks that sells the phone, particularly online where they don’t actually get to see the phone properly until they receive it.

    That’s not to say other features are as important, more or less so depending on the person, but it’s generally the look of a device – any device – that attracts people to it in the first place. As such I believe that most people who buy Sony phones do so because of the design as much as anything else. If they all wanted bezel-less screens some of the latest phones wouldn’t have sold any at all.

  • Aiden Pearce

    you are completely missing the point that there are fan base for every company. How much ever out-dated or bad the company behaves, there are always sales. Remember “You are holding it wrong- Apple AntennaGate”.
    Still they are ever popular and are doing well(Considering they are selling one of the most expensive phone right now).Whatever company do there are always some loyal users who buy their products. Thats why there is sale.
    Also Sony basically keeps their latest and better techs for Japan. Also they announce the phone and release it like 8 months later in global market. I remember i waited 7 months just to buy Xperia ZL, and 6 months to buy Z3.

  • severn sea

    On the contrary, that’s EXACTLY the point I’m making – that most products and/or companies have a fan base and that fan base buys the phones because of the way they look, as well of course as how they perform.

    Apple are a slightly different entity as a lot of people are tied into the ecosystem and don’t want to have to change all of that if they switch, that’s what maintains a healthy sales base for Apple. A lot of people also fall for the peer pressure, they don’t want people to think they have an inferior phone or that they belong to a group in society that can’t afford an iPhone – even if they can’t. Apple would be dead in the water if they couldn’t sell these on monthly contract. A case in point is sales outside America. I forget the exact figure but I believe it’s over 40% of Apple’s sales are in the US. That’s because people in the US have considerably more disposable income in the US than most of the rest of the world, and they’re considerably cheaper too (i.e. by today’s exchange rate the iPhone X costs over $1400 in the UK).

    Most companies release their tech in their own country first, that’s not unusual. Part of the reason is it’s obviously cheaper to test the water in your own country. International logistics can be horrendously expensive, and that’s not even taking into account advertising in each country.

    Whether people like the style/look is subjective. You might believe that they lack style or whatever but that’s not to say that others see it that way. Their generally monolithic, slightly industrial styling has always been one that hasn’t always appealed to everybody but I do know that it’s the general look of the phone that attracts many people in the first placed. Again, a lot of people will have their own reasons but it’s no mistake that advertising for goods of this type is heavily visual. Samsung’s S-series is a case in point, it’s marketed on it’s “gorgeous” looks and the marketing works which is why it’s become one of the biggest selling ranges. I don’t like them either and I think the edge display thing is another Samsung gimmick, but it the S8 does have a classy look and feel to it with the seamless glass and metal design that blends front to back. No, not for me, but yes it sells on it’s looks. Likewise many people who do like Sony buy them because they prefer the way they look.

    And yes, Sony have struggled in the market for some time. So have LG, HTC and even Samsung were losing hundreds of millions from their smartphone department even before the Note 7 problems, which is one of the reasons they have been trying for some years to develop their own operating system. It gets worse as more and more up and coming Chinese firms enter the market, and they are producing some decent stuff now. That’s one of the reasons why Microsoft killed Windows Phone (but not the main reason).

    Oh, and me? I hate Android AND Apple. I’m a Windows Phone fan myself but if I had to switch it would be to a Sony (hopefully the upcoming Windows on ARM devices will mean that’s not necessary). I have to be honest, I have a successful phone business and have been involved in the business for the past 17 years, so I do have more of an insight about what people want and ask for, considerably more than most people who profess to know about these things simply based on my experience, but I’m not suggesting everybody is the same.

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