Sony to partner with LG for OLED displays; foldable phones in the pipeline?

by XB on 29th January 2018

in News


Sony will be partnering with LG Display to extend is current TV OLED partnership into smartphones, according to a report by Business Korea. Apparently LG Display will supply flexible OLEDs to Sony for the smartphone segment, although no details on timing were given.

We know that Sony is working with flexible OLEDs,” said an official familiar with LG Display. “Already Sony is asking around in order to secure OLED engineers. Sony is expected to implant its success factors in the TV business in its smartphone business and develop products such as foldable phones“.

The rumours around Sony’s use of OLED in smartphones has been intensifying recently, particularly given news on job listings seeking OLED display smartphone experience. However, this is the first news we have heard of Sony dabbling with foldable phones. It will be interesting to see what Sony can come up with. We’ll keep you posted on any further developments.

Via Business Korea.

Thanks Diogo and Tizzo!

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    Interesting indeed. Hope it won’t be like Pixel XL 2.

  • SP Spontex

    Ça va faire court pour le 26 février, non ?
    It will be short for be ready on 26/02 !

  • Moisés

    Fordable phones are ridiculous..
    Will be big as tablets, then you fold your phone and it is as thick as a wallet.

  • Talos the Robot

    That really sucks. The XZ Premium would the last durable and reliable phone Sony has ever made!
    Don’t they know about Pixel XL’s screen problems? Do they thing that a pentile oled screen will ever become sharper than any LCD screen at the same resolution? Can they tell us how often should we calibrate our display because of the slightly off white balance? Maybe every 2 months? Can they offer a 2 years guarantee for the Oled display or will we will have to replace it after 1 year of heavy use?

    I just hope the next XZ Premium 2 model will have an LCD IPS HDR display with at least 700 nits peak brightness, and the only Oled smartphone will be the rumored XZ Pro model.

  • Ryuzaki Raiga

    maybe ir wrong but i did read maybe from last year that JOLED developer did fixed OLED problem with burn screen and color calibration

  • Moisés

    4K is why brightness is reduced. Higher pixel density requires stronger backlit.
    More energy used..

    Z3 and Z4 are still the brightest Xperia.

  • Moisés

    Color calibration has nothing to do with screen type.
    Saturated colors are a choice by those who use OLED.
    Same for color temperature..

  • DBS

    The iPixel 2XL problems are due to Google’s piss poor quality control. LG provides the display but it’s Google’s fault if stock Android is absolute shit for OLED displays.

    As for the rest, OLED not only is the vastly superior technology, but no, you don’t have to go around calibrating your phone’s display. Stop being ridiculous.

    Sony will simply catch up with the progress. You want to continue stuck on shitty LCDs? Buy an iPhone.

  • Moisés

    V30 got many critics too, because screen.
    Some people say even Note 4 has better.

    Most of TVs are still LCD. That includes all Samsung and Z9D which according to Sony is their main tv, not Bravia OLED.

  • DBS

    But that’s between Samsung’s mobile OLED (AMOLED) and LG’s.
    Samsung’s AMOLED is better than LG’s. Samsung has been doing AMOLED for far longer.
    Just like LG’s OLED TVs are far better than Samsung’s were.

    All premium TVs are now OLED. Only Samsung doesn’t offer OLED TVs anymore but that’s because they can’t compete with LG there. So they’re trying to come up with different crap. It’s not working lol
    Eventually, of course, you’ll see OLED trickle down to cheaper TV sets, just like you saw on mobile AMOLED trickle down to cheaper phones.

    LCD is the past. There’s no place for it in the future. Just like Plasma before it.

  • H-R-K

    Another disappointment here. Why Sony is going for LG? Sony is losing their position because of they are making some mistakes in every smartphone.

  • Francis Troy Fabrigas

    Okay, hope for the best, but really, Sony doesn’t need it.

    Maybe the XZ Pro-A’s 4K HDR OLED screen is from LG, but with RGB instead of Diamond PenTile, and with Sony’s magical build quality (no burn ins, no color shifting, nothing, just true perfection).

  • Alvin

    I’m too excited for what they have for MWC that I care less about foldable phones from them. Seeing that Samsung is running out of ideas for their upcoming Galaxy S9, this is a great opportunity for Sony to take the stage and surprise everyone. I’m sure they’ll unveil something good, this time, for real.

  • Khalid Abdi

    No LG’s OLED is better than Samsungs OLED, because Samsung uses pantile diamond matrices and LG uses White RGB and JOLED and JDI will use OLED with RGB matrice only which is far better.

    Look, for the LCD, I’ll say that LCD is still strong and competing and is far superior but the whole thing is marketing for OLEDs because every company and OEM wants to give and sell you a half backed OLED which the defects it has till now couldn’t be fixed because it is expensive to produce and that’s advantage LCD holds because it is cheaper and till now they’re doing more researches on how it can compete with OLEDs every time. OLEDs are superior in the hardware like its thinner than the LCD-LED and consumes less battery etc etc.

    Why am I saying it’s a marketing thing, because they (the companies)
    want to convince you that OLED is far superior and they do it for competition nothing more. Because still why the companies still use on LCDs and working to develop it and let’s frankly the LCD-LEDs are equal to the OLEDs on every aspect of colour accuracy and contrast but LCD-LEDs are better because they don’t give burn ins that fast in a display and gives you higher brightness.

    LCD LED is a compound of two structure panels and with Quantum Dot doing a true self emissive LCD LED panel will change the future specially JDI’s tech for fingerprint under the glass.

    Micro-LEDs are far better than all which is why they are all investing in it and trying to make a solution for having it because it far better than both but when it will arrive, LCD-LEDs and OLEDs will compete because for their cheap prices

  • Yumekawa♡

    Let’s hope LG already solved those blue shift/noisy display by the time it reaches other smartphone. Well, at least LG’s OLED does not use PWM dimming…

  • Khalid Abdi

    Because LG have done a 4K OLED and they showed it at SID display amd their OLEDs are near what Sony is doing on their OLEDs.
    LG uses White RGB matrice on their OLED and Sony will use RGB matrice only.
    But, honestly for me I’m disappointed that they chose to buy some displays for a rival. I always wanted Sony to depend on themselves but it will be for 2-3 years I guess because in 2020 or 2021 Sony will use their products for everything even the flexible and fordable displays

  • Alvin

    Their BRAVIA OLED sales are doing well though. They are not announcing Z9D and A1E successors because they thought “Why should we build new TVs when our current TVs are already great and class-leading?”

  • I’d rather a smartphone have a smaller footprint in my pocket than concern myself over the thickness. At least I wouldn’t have to worry about bending my phone when I sit down.

  • Khalid Abdi

    Wow and that’s true because Sony was pioneering the OLED technology since the 1990s

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    I can already see the headlines…

    “Xperia screen has problems with color degradation”
    “Xperia screen reported to suffer from burn ins”
    ” Xperias continue the red tint gate”

    Lovely, trendy, just what customers “want”…

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Oled is crap, deal with it….
    It is ridiculous that an OS or UI should be adapted to a screen, so this tech doesnt show its major flaws.

  • DBS

    Oh God, so much wrong.

    1 – Pentile vs RGB is just the bullsh*t excuse people like to come up with to try to justify their bias. The fact of the matter is, you can NOT see the pixels. So it’s absolutely IRRELEVANT if it’s pentile or RGB or whatever. LG displays for TVs are far superior to Samsung’s for very simple reasons: they’re brighter, they’re more colour accurate and they actually still exist.

    2 – ” every company and OEM wants to give and sell you a half backed OLED which the defects it has till now couldn’t be fixed”

    It’s been over a decade and LCD lightbleeds haven’t been fixed either. And I’ve seen more LCDs dead from lightbleed than I’ve seen OLED displays dead from their supposed “problems” (namely burn in…which can also happen on LCD by the way).

    3 – “advantage LCD holds because it is cheaper and till now they’re doing more researches on how it can compete with OLEDs every time”

    The only ones still wasting money on researching LCDs is Samsung. And that’s because they’re getting their arses beaten to a pulp by LG. The same thing in reverse happened in mobile for quite a while. Until the V30, LG insisted on spending money developing LCD screens for their phones because they couldn’t compete with Samsung on AMOLED. But they eventually realised that it was a pointless battle since LCD would never win against AMOLED. So they started investing in their mobile OLED production.

    4 – “LCD-LEDs are equal to the OLEDs on every aspect of colour accuracy and contrast ”

    LOL!
    You can’t be f*cking serious…
    Mate, LCDs can’t produce blacks. From there on, everything you wrote is just plain false. OLED is more colour accurate (and please, do try to remember that over-saturated OLED screens are A CHOICE and not a result of OLED itself…as it became clear when Google’s iPixels came calibrated to match an LCD display and people complained it didn’t look as vibrant as Samsung displays). And it can produce far greater contrasts because it can be dimmer.

    5 – “with Quantum Dot doing a true self emissive LCD LED”
    You have absolutely NO idea what Quantum Dot is. But you ate up Samsung’s marketing pretty well. Quantum Dot is STILL a back-lit LCD panel. It’s just the layer that goes over the blue light panel that changes. It still can’t produce blacks, it still suffers from light bleed and it’s still inferior technology.
    Here, go watch this to learn something https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeMws32VfJc

    6 – “specially JDI’s tech for fingerprint under the glass.”

    No one has EVER saw that tech you’re talking about working. Not to mention JDI itself has JUST entered the sensor business. Such fingerprint tech is still in development and JDI says they *intend* to ship it in fiscal year 2018 (which only ends in 2019 mind you). And that’s if everything goes well.
    Now, if you paid attention, JDI has also started investing in OLED R&D and production so. With that fingerprint scanner they are supposedly working on being placed on the GLASS, you can bet your money that they will NOT be putting it on LCD panels.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Absolutely not true. Samsung just has been using it long enough to learn how to evade its flaws….”floating home button” and other nonsens to hide the flaws, but burn ins and red tints still persist.
    Oled is just candy crap for mobile, deal with it.

  • DBS

    LCD is shit, deal with it…

    “It is ridiculous that an OS or UI should be adapted to a screen, so this tech doesnt show its major flaws.”

    Not as ridiculous as your comment.
    Software IS SUPPOSED to adapt to the device it’s placed in. If it doesn’t, it’s bad software.
    Your comment is so stupid that by that logic, if Windows decided that its scale would be done for Ultrawide displays, you’d be the one f*cked if your display was 16:9.
    And it’s not so that it doesn’t show a certain tech’s only flaws. It’s that software must consider the hardware it runs on.
    But hey, maybe one day you’ll have a heart desease, go to the Hospital and when the doctor goes to heal you, he decides to use treat you for a cold, just so the weakness in your heart doesn’t show.

  • DBS

    All companies have been doing LCDs for well over a decade and shit colour reproduction, no blacks, backlight bleeding are ALL still flaws. And those you can’t avoid with software.
    Oh and by the way, burn-in ALSO exists on LCD.

    OLED panels CAN have their only problem fixed or even avoided by software. Which alone makes it a superior technology.

    LCD is shit for anything, deal with it.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Or is it the other way around?

    Maybe the device/screen is bad if the software needs special tricks to suffciently work on it, as not to damage it?

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Actually my shit is built to last much longer than your shit.
    So deal with your shit insufficiency.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    And I guess you totally ignored Sonys new LCD with 10000 nits and thus extreme hdr color reproduction, unreachable by oled tech?
    https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/sony-85-inch-8k-hdr-tv-10000-nit-a8f-oled-hands-on/

  • DBS

    Let me try to make this very clear since you clearly have a hard time grasping simple concepts:

    – The device/screen uses DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY.
    – If you design a piece of software for older tech, you can NOT expect new tech to play nice with it.
    – OLED screens function differently and so software has to adapt to it.

    Get it now? No? Then maybe you should change your brain to adapt to the slower software in your brain cells I guess.

  • DBS

    Built to last?
    Then you’re not talking about LCDs for sure.

    Yeah, deal with your shit’s weaknesses and inferiority.

  • DBS

    LOL!
    You’re so dumb you didn’t even understood the title of that article.
    Also, who the fuck wants to watch TV blasting at 10000 nits? Are you taking your TV to the beach in the Summer?

    Being able to reach 10000 nits only offers residual benefits when using HDR…benefits which on an LCD are immediately curtailed by its inability to produce blacks which make any LCD HDR panel look pathetic next to an OLED HDR panel. And even in HDR, you can bet Sony will never push the panel to actually use any highlights at 10000 nits.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    So pixel color degradations, susceptability to burn of organic pixels are functions now?
    I am obviously not the one with logic problems fella.
    Your expanations are totally flawed.

  • DBS

    Those are problems on LCDs too. It’s not my fault you have no clue what you’re talking about, mate.

    I get it. You’re too poor to afford OLED. So you’re trying desperately to tell yourself that LCD is better. Well, it isn’t. And the day OLED production reaches a stable peak in which prices of TV units can start to come down, you’ll then realise. it.

    Until then, I guess you’ll try to continue coming up with faux arguments.
    And you don’t have logic problems. Because you’re not using logic at all.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Oh, fella….
    Had an oled TV….HAD…and never ever again. Get it?
    Only reason oled is being pushed into mobile is its flexibility, not quality, I assure you.
    And there is new flexible non organic tech coming its way…which is the real future in mobile.
    As TVs go, yes Sonys 10000 nits extreme hdr lcd is the future of TVs…
    You just keep your logic to yourself.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    You realy are an oled fboy arent you?
    You cant even comprehense the reason behind the nits to color reproduction and picture quality, can you?

  • DBS

    Hmm hmm. Sure you had. Sure you had. Let me guess…you had an old Samsung OLED TV? No. I bet you didn’t even have that.

    You don’t need to assure me of anything, I probably know better why OLED is being used on mobile. And it’s more than that. It’s also because OLED is a crap ton more power efficient than LCD. Which, again, makes it superior.

    There’s always new tech on the way. And LCD isn’t it. Until new tech comes, currently you have OLED replacing the inferior LCD. Just like LCD replaced inferior Plasma. Etc. Until something better comes along, OLED will remain the better technology.

    And no, Sony’s 10000 nits is not the future of anything. Want to bet?

    I’m using facts. I guess that’s what’s bothering you.

  • DBS

    Apparently you’re the one too blind to understand that brightness output has little effect on colour reproduction and picture quality.
    The higher the brightness, the lower the colour reproduction and picture quality. Which is why Sony itself said they’d be sparingly using those 10000 nits. Oh and, by the way, what Sony presented was a prototype. You know what prototypes are? Yeah. You might not even ever see that TV reaching the market.

    But that’s all very difficult for you to understand, isn’t it? Yeah, it is.

  • Khalid Abdi

    Oh God, so much wrong.

    1 – Pentile vs RGB is just the bullsh*t excuse people like to come up with to try to justify their bias. The fact of the matter is, you can NOT see the pixels. So it’s absolutely IRRELEVANT if it’s pentile or RGB or whatever. LG displays for TVs are far superior to Samsung’s for very simple reasons: they’re brighter, they’re more colour accurate and they actually still exist.

    -First of all why why your going to look at the display. We are talking about the effect on the display not your eyes.
    -If RGBs aren’t superior why they don’t build it and its not bullshit its a fact – LG is superior on the phone too

    2 – ” every company and OEM wants to give and sell you a half backed OLED which the defects it has till now couldn’t be fixed”

    It’s been over a decade and LCD lightbleeds haven’t been fixed either. And I’ve seen more LCDs dead from lightbleed than I’ve seen OLED displays dead from their supposed “problems” (namely burn in…which can also happen on LCD by the way).

    – Because LCDs are old panel and always is catching up with OLED but on the other hand OLEDs are newer and yet they have that flaw. Why tell me ?
    – Burn ins happen to LCDs after a long time but light bleed they have which is true but burn ins in OLED happens like in a year.
    – Right now, the industry just used LED backlit not mini-LED backlit even mirco-LED can be used as a backlit too and its been reported that Huawei might use mini-LED backlit

    3 – “advantage LCD holds because it is cheaper and till now they’re doing more researches on how it can compete with OLEDs every time”

    The only ones still wasting money on researching LCDs is Samsung. And that’s because they’re getting their arses beaten to a pulp by LG. The same thing in reverse happened in mobile for quite a while. Until the V30, LG insisted on spending money developing LCD screens for their phones because they couldn’t compete with Samsung on AMOLED. But they eventually realised that it was a pointless battle since LCD would never win against AMOLED. So they started investing in their mobile OLED production.

    -Why your insulting Samsung?? They’re a big company and pushing old tech to be newer and compatible with OLEDs.
    Btw, Samsung never used full array backlit, they used edgelit which is bad really but now demoed in CES 2018 full array backlit.
    – The whole thing is marketing because the whole industry wants to say OLEDs are superior when at same time they’re doing LCDs simultaneously. The industry is pushing OLED and you have to compete so that’s why they all promote as OLEDs are stronger.
    – LG lost because 1. they do OLED on the TV which is contradicting the smartphone panel 2.The LCD panel they make is not as bright and vivid compare to Sony’s LCD seriously check it up.

    4 – “LCD-LEDs are equal to the OLEDs on every aspect of colour accuracy and contrast ”

    LOL!
    You can’t be f*cking serious…
    Mate, LCDs can’t produce blacks. From there on, everything you wrote is just plain false. OLED is more colour accurate (and please, do try to remember that over-saturated OLED screens are A CHOICE and not a result of OLED itself…as it became clear when Google’s iPixels came calibrated to match an LCD display and people complained it didn’t look as vibrant as Samsung displays). And it can produce far greater contrasts because it can be dimmer.

    – Yes, they can produce black but the issue is light bleed and with higher nits it can produce the same as OLEDs and higher.

    -Honestly Google’s Pixel was more beautiful compare to iPhone’s and Samsung’s. Google’s fault was dimming the light on the phone but it was beautiful and LG just started to produce the OLED in 2017 that’s why Samsung has the advantage but not their OLEDs isn’t better than them.

    5 – “with Quantum Dot doing a true self emissive LCD LED”
    You have absolutely NO idea what Quantum Dot is. But you ate up Samsung’s marketing pretty well. Quantum Dot is STILL a back-lit LCD panel. It’s just the layer that goes over the blue light panel that changes. It still can’t produce blacks, it still suffers from light bleed and it’s still inferior technology.
    Here, go watch this to learn something https://www.youtube.com/wat

    Honestly your the one who has no clue about it
    Quantum Dot, Triluminos, Nano Cell came are same with different names
    Sony choose to patent it with Triluminos and LG chose Nano Cell.
    Quantum Dot or Triluminos is a colour filter I never said it is not LCD
    that’s why I was saying the true term LCD-LED panel

    Nanosy is the company which is responsible about the techology and that’s why Samsung and TCL made an alliance together.
    Here is a video which will tell you the truth that LCD- LED could be self emissive display just like OLED
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJPa2QRZPOY

    6 – “specially JDI’s tech for fingerprint under the glass.”

    No one has EVER saw that tech you’re talking about working. Not to mention JDI itself has JUST entered the sensor business. Such fingerprint tech is still in development and JDI says they *intend* to ship it in fiscal year 2018 (which only ends in 2019 mind you). And that’s if everything goes well.
    Now, if you paid attention, JDI has also started investing in OLED R&D and production so. With that fingerprint scanner they are supposedly working on being placed on the GLASS, you can bet your money that they will NOT be putting it on LCD panels.

    – Because it’s new and now its been reported not in CES like the way Synaptics did with VIVO or Qualcomm did with VIVO last year.

    – Yes but its revolutionary on LCD because a technology which is old and everyone was saying its hard to do such a tech in LCD while other people where focusing on putting the underscreen fingerprint on the OLED itself. BTW, the tech will be implemented on the OLEDs because its much easier and in 1 year who knows this tech might be superior because they said its faster then Synaptics and Qualcomms

    – JDI is doing a survive a competition as a display manufacturer and in order to gain a partnership with Apple and other OEMs

    Even try to reply then it means that you are blinded in marketing of OLED and cannot tell the difference.
    For me I won’t reply because it is lame to tell you when your not trying to understand and blocking your head. Just WAKE UP!!!!!

  • Khalid Abdi

    It will reach the market because it was 8K TV and they’re doing it for the future
    Everything is presented as a prototype before it’s been actually release in CES

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Im just passing in this article for the logically sane bypassing readers, not oled fboys:
    https://www.google.hr/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/johnarcher/2018/01/11/why-sonys-8k-10000-nit-85-inch-tv-is-the-best-ive-ever-seen/amp/

  • Phone Battles

    Glad Sony is working on this! I know LG gets some heat for their displays, but overall LG V30 was one of my favorite phones of 2017. So I like the partnership.

  • usersparadise

    First I would like to see better cameras in their smartphones… Maybe they should work together with Zeiss also for their smartphone cameras.

  • singh

    sony were the 1st to introduce a oled 11 inch tv back in 2007 , i actually saw this tv in japan , sony were the pioneer’s in OLED , they then sold the tech to LG because at the time it was to expensive to produce.

  • Khalid Abdi

    Sony also sold the tech to Samsung and ISOCELL camera tech

  • Makiz

    I know, I saw it last year in a “kinda” Sony store in Zurich, they’re still selling it for €2500…! I didn’t know that they sold the tech to LG though, never heard about it

  • Moisés

    LG screen is a bit blue.
    Samsung uses red oled.

  • Moisés

    LG does not use pentile, just RGB like Sony.

  • Moisés

    There was a new Bravia oled at CES , A8F .

  • DBS

    And I’m passing this one with an actual objective and non-biased view for non-LCD fanboys amd intelectualy honest people

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinion/oled-vs-led-lcd-2924602

  • DBS

    Plenty of CES prototypes never make it to market. 8K TVs will come. That specific one, not necessarily.

  • Khalid Abdi

    For Sony it is

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    I think it’s using the same panel as A1(E). but it’s bit cheaper without acoustic feature.
    Edit: it has Acoustic Surface :D

  • Moisés

    LCD can last much longer than oled. The burn in issue can be seen even on TVs.
    It is impossible to keep pixels from dying.

    Even the true HDR, which requires very high brightness can be only found on lcd tvs.
    Sony Z9D and Samsung QLed can easily pass 1600 nits, while A1E cant reach 900.

  • Moisés

    Pure black does not exist in nature.
    Why black images should show that?

  • Moisés

    These kind of screen can be used as electronic outdoors.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Your quote earlier:
    “The higher the brightness, the lower the colour reproduction and picture quality. ”
    Thats about as much of your intelectual honesty…
    Bur hey, Post whtever you want

  • Moisés

    Sony does not use pentile matrix.

    At same screen resolution RGB screens look sharper than Diamont Pentile.
    Pixels are equal in quantity and size for RGB.

  • Jacky

    If that’s true, I hope LG will have better quality control. Cough cough burn in cough cough

  • Barricade

    Stock Android isn’t absolute shit for OLED. Nexus 6P, 2016 Pixel line and the regular Pixel 2 prove that. Heck, even some Pixel 2 XLs have great OLED displays. Google’s QC is to blame though.

    If their phone displays turn out as good as their TV displays, Sony has nothing to fear.

  • Barricade

    Only real software changes that would need to happen is anti burn-in. Don’t listen to that guy.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Aint trusting organic screens.
    I just hope Sonys newly patented Dynamic vibration system has to do with keeping that flawed tech at bay (unnoticable microvibration of whole oled screen output would/could solve pixel in burn at least, but still burnin and white balance control will remain). But then, the strain of microvibration on the eyes….
    Nah, too much annoyances and compromises over very little benefit.
    I aint going with oled camp until oled proven innocent ;-)

  • Iki

    8 mm thick when folded.
    Microsoft already has a patent

  • Iki

    That has nothing to do with quality.
    Oled has burn in.

  • Iki

    Wouldn’t make them better.
    And they already have the best.

  • Barricade

    I personally believe OLED is the way to go for now (for smartphones) as the benefits outway the negatives. Burn-in can be countered well-enough via software for the expected lifetime of a smartphone if done right.

    But then again, there will always be people who look af their phone at the lowest brightness with a grey background to prove me wrong.

  • Talos the Robot

    Sure but i would prefer a bigger battery for this reason and i wouldn’t mind if the device becomes thicker.

  • Francis Troy Fabrigas

    I mean in mobile screens.
    LG used Diamond PenTile on their V30, and the Pixel 2 XL has the same matrix.

  • DBS

    Oh absolutely. I’m not blaming LG for the display on the iPixel XL. LG only manufactures it. It’s up to Google to build the phones and supervise their quality. And they did nothing of the sort.

    I hate stock Android so I’m biased but when it comes to OLED, it does commit a major sin and that is the absence of a system-wide black theme (not dark, black). If stock Android didn’t rely so much on bright whites and childish colours, it would go a long way to help avoiding burn ins on OLED.

  • DBS

    Pure black DOES exist, mate. You know why? Because black isn’t a colour. Black is the absence of colour. As such, a screen has real blacks when it has no colour. On OLED that is achieved by turning of the pixel. No colour = black. On LCD, because you can’t turn off the individual pixels, you always get grey, even when sometimes very dark grey. Well, very dark grey is a colour ;)

    Apple will continue to produce phones with LCD because it’s cheaper. You know that. You know their business model: sell mid-range devices for absurd amounts of money.
    But they are pouring money into LG Display as well to ramp up production of OLED screens so that eventually all their phones ditch the LCD (the more OLED screens companies manage to produce, the lower the production costs become).

    Computers have LCD screens for now and for one big reason: the computer market is shrinking and the buyers are more and more mainly from two types: business (where they want the cheapest available) and gaming (where they want those crazy refresh rates).

    TVs are only LCDs on the cheap models. No premium TV today is being released without an OLED panel, except of course for Samsung.

  • DBS

    And I stand by that quote. Because it’s a fact. The brighter the screen, the worse the colour reproduction will be. Because when you surpass a certain threshold, the brightness from the light degrades your ability to perceive colours.
    But hey, feel free to ignore science just like you ignore all other facts.

  • Tau45

    Flexible displays are not a problem, but a foldable phone needs a foldable mainboard, case and battery.

  • Alvin

    That is not the successor of A1E, that is a mid-range OLED.

  • Moisés

    That explains why it is not good.

  • Moisés

    Dynamic Vibration System is camera stuff.
    Probably a new kind of OIS.

    Acoustic Surface is for screen. To turn it into speaker.

  • Moisés

    Look at black stuff like t-shirts, shoes, cars…
    Not 100% black.
    OLED provides a contrast much higher than reality.

    LCD can be used at 100% brightness everyday if you want. If you do same with oled phone, it will burn in.

    Mobile oled is not on pair with the tv screens. Also tvs have chips to enhance image quality, very advanced stuff. Phones dont have.

    Amoled does not have white that white like LCD. Also the issue to reproduce the red correctly.
    It always kinda orange..

  • DBS

    The difference being that none of those things has a backlight constantly shinning behind them. LCDs look fine…if they’re turned off.

    “LCD can be used at 100% brightness everyday if you want. If you do same with oled phone, it will burn in.”

    LCD’s also suffer from burn in. And no one uses their phone at 100% brightness everyday. Let’s not go into unrealistic usage of things. No one drives their cars at top speed everyday either.

    AMOLED and OLED aren’t the same. So let’s not compare them. If they were, LG would be in a far better position on mobile and Samsung wouldn’t need to try to come up with lame attempts to compete on TV screens ;)

    I completely disagree on the reproduction of RED in AMOLED screens. It heavily depends on the calibration. Google messed it up and that’s why people complained about the Pixel 2 XL colours. But I’ve never found that problem on Nokia or Samsung AMOLED phones for example.

  • iia3ezu

    By that time, the rest of the world would have moved on the Micro LED, maybe graphene displays.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroLED

  • Alessio Torres

    Funny how Sony who was the first to sell OLED TVs back in 2008 needs to work with LG now to produce them if I was Sony if might want to keep my distance from this company.

  • Alessio Torres

    If possible I would like to see an Xperia with a micro LED screen and I’ll add Optical image stabilization for the camera also some smaller bezels of course.

  • Alfino Pranata

    I could smell 18:9 tall display in the near future

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    We still dont know what its all about. Of course, Im only guessing here, but some kind of “vibration” would be needed to keep oled tech problems at bay….

    Im just….hoping this organic led mobile screen nonsens gets replaced by some more advanced flexible screen tech in near future, and as soon as possible.

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Yup, backlight is the same, but pure density of pixels make it dimmer. Anyways, Sonys mobile 4k lcd is most advanced mobile screen today, so Sony should start doing sth about battery tech advancement, so it could add more backlight to it, as to improve picture quality even more.
    Let this oled stuff rather be a side project.

  • Warren Chang

    a proper xperia p would be nice? phablet which turns to a full size tablet with proper folding screen

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    White balance and fast color degradation is the problem, not saturation.
    One Samsung Pentile uses three color pixels, r-g-b, and two half-red subpixels….thats too much of red, thus red tint screen
    Pixel degradation another problem. Any other color oled setup, Blue organic led goes the fastest, so again white balance suffers prevails…in short time redissh screens again.
    Anyways, not good tech for mobile use….
    Sony should keep away from Pentile.

    JDI made sth that is more like an LG TV screen, using white oleds on flexible layer just as backlight, with rgb filters on top, it is oled, but sans usual mobile oled problems.

    Maybe thats just about what Sony ordered from LG here.
    Hoping so.

  • Barricade

    MicroLED is years off to be used in smartphones.

  • Barricade

    Of, you know, you can put the battery in the Papar than don’t fold?

  • Barricade

    If you look at the Pixel 2 XL, there actually are devices where they blue shift is much better. So a good quality control should do the trick.

  • iia3ezu

    OLED is also going to become obsolete. MicroLED is coming.

  • fried_egg

    Sony have in their tv business since the end of their CRT Trinitron domination used other people’s panels… their LCD/Plasma range had 4 different panel makers at one point… and using other people’s things are not unusual anyway… e.g. Philips had a flagship tv range where the letter at the end of the model number told the engineers if it had a Philips or a Panasonic sourced CRT (so much for all those brandnames for the “blackness” manufacturers promoted their tvs with!). JDI may not be ready for or wanting to move into the space LG is in, and the one thing Japanese companies learnt over the last 20 years to their 1980s dominance is not to be “in everything for the sake of being in everything” Much of the cleverness is not in the panel but the drivers they code for it anyway.

  • fried_egg

    This will kill all those little businesses that “fix cracked screens” as I bet the majority of cracked screens are from phones not flexing a bit when they are subjected to a moment of trauma (eg being dropped or bent in a tightening jeans pocket as someone sits down )

  • Francis Troy Fabrigas

    Exactly, and I worry that Sony may use the same thing for their flagship.
    Still, I have high hopes that they won’t use it and opt for RGB one instead.

  • Barricade

    I don’t get the hype for a foldable phone/tablet hybrid.

  • usersparadise

    Maybe best sensors. Lens quality is mediocre and their algorithms especially in the dark are bad. And they should use OIS.

  • Alvin

    Unknown Sony phone got leaked in FCC.

    Credit to: Nevewolf from esato.com Sony rumours page. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aae251925e33102fee6ed27413e2e740a3ac7db02e8243bcf5d7156b478780d4.jpg

  • Iki

    They have the best sensor.
    Other than the leica phones, they have the best lenses.
    In the dark you use manual mode.
    And they should use Ibis.

  • dragonsneeze

    Thick enough to assume it’s a compact.

  • GP2O
  • Talos the Robot

    They trimmed the bezels a little but now the device became thicker.

  • azzido

    Display from LG is another bad news :(
    Everyone knows LG is famous for poor quality, when it comes to displays they prooved poor quality and problems, pixel device is not an exception. If oled from LG will be confirmed I am skipping this device.

    Other than that again no update in design. Juat trimmed bezels and rest is almost same.

  • azzido
  • azzido

    Xperiablog, can you please make a vote poll on potential upcoming camera issue in new Xperia flagship? As far as we know there will be new camera, well first dual camera in Xperia. It is already tradition that there will be some issue such as blur on the edges, abnormal distortion etc.

    ;)

    Or maybe it will be the screen this time due to LG?

  • AllanKafka

    Manual mode is no use if processing algorithms are shite.

  • AllanKafka

    I totally agree with your stance on the childish and OLED-unfriendly white backgrounds from Android 5 on.

  • Mateus B. Cassiano

    Well, when an OLED panel suffers burn-in with barely one week of usage (Pixel 2 XL) then something definitely is messed with quality control…

  • Iki

    No. It just needs the screen to move more during use.

  • Iki

    Manual mode bypass the high iso.
    Other than that, theres no problem with Sony phones at night.

  • Go get em’ tigers!

  • Ana Helušić

    Epic fail, LG oled screens are the worst

  • usersparadise

    Wrong. It tested all manual parameters with XZ1 and XZP. When you lower ISO you quite fast get a dark image at the whole frame. So your picture doesn´t look like the actual scene. When you use slower shutter speeds you get overblown light sources. When I use my Pixel (2016 model) f.e. I get nearly all the time simply more details in night time pictures – in fully auto mode!

  • Iki

    You do know what iso is?

  • usersparadise

    Do you know what picture quality is? As I´m using also a real camera I guess I know what ISO and picture quality is. Again: Xperia algorithms aren´t very good compared to other manufactures especially when light isn´t ideal.

  • Iki

    As stated. It is the high iso usage that makes it worse.
    In manual you take control of the ISO.
    This means you can bypass the one problem.

  • usersparadise

    Do you have problems of understanding? It´s not only the problem of high ISO. As I stated I tested many Xperias also in manual mode and you won´t get the details of f.e. a Pixel. And when you use low ISO your picture is ruined on another way.

  • Iki

    It seems you still don’t understand what iso is.

  • usersparadise

    I don´t think that you ever used a real camera or that you know what parameters like ISO and shutter speed change or not change.

  • Iki

    Based on your comments you should really think before making accusations…

  • usersparadise

    Based on your comments you don´t have any clue about ISO and other manual parameters and how they change picture quality.

  • Iki

    Said the one who can’t use it…

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