Xperia Z3 Plus in camera shootout with LG G4, Galaxy S6, Lumix CM1 and 808 PureView

by XB on 23rd June 2015

in Imaging, Xperia Z4 and Z3+ series


Sony Xperia Z3+ Camera ShootoutThe Sony Xperia Z3+ camera has been pitted against the LG G4, Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1, Nokia 808 PureView and Samsung Galaxy S6. A set of three photos were taken on each smartphone (two outdoors, one indoors) to compare the imaging prowess of each.

We have included a set of crops of one of the pictures below and another set from the indoor car scene. The roundup from Smartcam Club found the LG G4 to be the winner overall whilst the Xperia Z3+ was said to be “disappointing”. For more pictures and the original images head over to the source link below. Which smartphone gets your pick?

Cruise ship (crop)

LG G4

LG G4 - Amsterdam Cruise Ship CROP original

Nokia 808 PureView

Nokia 808 PureView - Amsterdam Cruise Ship 34MP ISO 64 CROP original

Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1

Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1 - Amsterdam Cruise Ship C ROP original

Samsung Galaxy S6

Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge - Amsterdam Cruise Ship - ISO 40 - 1-1276 sec CROP original

Sony Xperia Z3+

Sony Xperia Z3 - Amsterdam Cruise Ship - 15.5MP ISO 50 CROP original

Classic green car

LG G4
LG G4 - Green Car ISO 200

Nokia 808 PureView

Nokia 808 PureView - Green Car 34MP ISO 200

Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1

Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1 - Green Car ISO 200

Samsung Galaxy S6

Samsung Galaxy S6 Edge - Green car ISO 200 - 1-8 sec

Sony Xperia Z3+

Sony Xperia Z3+ Green Car Manual 8MP ISO 200

Via Smartcam Club.

  • Emir Zarith

    ok now it’s time to grab popcorn

  • Jachym Kokesh Lukes

    Jesus! So much noise!

  • Doubleyoupee

    Well one thing is for sure, Xperia Z3+ is not the best

  • Itsarapong Intoum

    Too much noise as always -_-

  • Cyrus

    With hardware like that I can’t understand why they can’t succeed with the processing algorithm. Even my xperia arc (which I still use) sometimes manages to capture best shoots in outdoor conditions. Or maybe it’s just me

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  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    What do you mean?

  • DBS

    This pretty much shows:

    1 – Why I still bring my Nokia 808 alongside the Z3C;
    2 – Why Sony desperately needs to redo their camera

  • Cyrus

    Sony’s hardware is used on many other smartphones (Apple, Samsung) but the result is better. That has to do with the image processing software. The other companies got it better I guess. Don’t get me wrong I won’t trade my Xperia for another brand but the competition is getting too tough. The camera software is still lacking something.

  • shhh

    I’m starting to think there’s actually a problem with their sensor. I ain’t defending Sony here, but after 4 flagships and that it seems they have tried a lot of things in the software that it might just be the sensor itself as the problem. Also note that the sensor was sold after being exclusive to Sony and none of the other major manufacturers like Samsung and LG used it. Also the fact that there’s obviously a problem with their lens that cause those corner and edge blurring.

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    Sony IMX240 is being used in S6 and I don’t know what’s used in Apple but it’s some Exmor RS sensor. Then when it comes to Z3+ I think they’re using Sony IMX230, I guess.

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    I know man. I took two indoor shots with my friend’s iphone and my Z2 and Colours were bit off on my photo I took but it was giving so much detail though, but colours were off.
    I wonder when they would learn to get things right.

  • mohsen

    Z3 take nature photo.

  • DirtySant0

    Sony needs to completely fix their algorithm it’s not the hardware

  • ruba

    Sony is better than samsung at least

  • Brick

    No way man, arc takes some awful photos, I have it too and also the old Xperia S, no way the arc is better than Z3, or even the S.

  • Rene Pedroso

    I honestly don’t believe any of the reviews when it comes to the Xperia line. These types of reviews have been going on for years and the results are always the same. When 3 professionals (Greg Funnell, Greg Thomas & J.N. Silva) use the Xperia line the results are drastically different.

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/11/17/introducing-xperia-photo-academy/

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/11/21/seeing-cities-in-different-ways/

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/12/01/xperiaphotoacademy-part-2-ben-thomas-perspective/

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/12/16/xperiaphotoacademy-part-3-low-light-photography-with-greg-funnell/

    Background Defocus – http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/02/09/xperia-photo-academy-part-4-background-defocus/

    Nuff Said!!!!!

  • Matt

    Yup brace yourself with many many professional photographer that roams this site. With their immensely powerful phone camera and the power of Google search to include photo related words in their comment.plus endless advice on how Sony have to desperately repair their clearly broken camera software, I mean look at that? Was that a car?! I thought it was a boat! I can see the car on s6 photos but not on the z3.. . Hmmm wierd.

    Oh since I’m also a professional I’m going to give advice to all crisps manufacturer to use a tube like pringels, not that nasty plastic packing

  • j_ee

    apple uses their sensor AFAIK

  • Rene Pedroso

    I honestly don’t believe any of the reviews when it comes to the Xperia line. These types of reviews have been going on for years and the results are always the same. When 3 professionals (Greg Funnell, Greg Thomas & J.N. Silva) use the Xperia line the results are drastically different.

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/11/17/introducing-xperia-photo-academy/

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/12/01/xperiaphotoacademy-part-2-ben-thomas-perspective/

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/12/16/xperiaphotoacademy-part-3-low-light-photography-with-greg-funnell/

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/02/09/xperia-photo-academy-part-4-background-defocus/

    http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/11/21/seeing-cities-in-different-ways/

    Nuff Said!!!!!

  • fluxx

    The sensor is not bad, the sensor is old. Sonys sensor division came up with newer better designs in the past months, just look at the flagship phones of Apple, Samsung or Huawei. Sony has everything in the shelf to build a great smartphone cam. They just need to pick the right parts and finally fix the software. Same thing there, they have all the knowledge they need in the company, just look at the great compact and DSLR cams they produce. The biggest problem of Sony in the past years came down to this problem, their divisions don’t work together enough. Like “The interview” came out on Xbox before they released it on the PSN.

  • BruceLeeRoyJenkins

    It’s really depends on what the user wants in a camera, and what looks good to them.

    We all know Sony needs to work on their cameras, mainly software. But in the “comparison” above, I think the 808 takes it pretty easily.

    Best thing to do is wait for Dxomark

  • errr NO.

  • Prateek Bhanushali

    It seems oversharpening causing the problems !!!

  • HAWX

    Hey Timel, I am doing you a favor and I will say what you’ll say:
    Ahaha face the reality Sony fanboys! In Yo fayz! Wake up and eat Doritos drink Mauntain dew!

  • Rogue

    My question is what’s the purpose of xperia blog? I mean we the customers have been coming here since the original xperia Z complaining about the camera and the poor software! So does this site actually pass our complaints on to Sony and try to help us? Or do you come here to poke fun at us with these type of articles, cause the average Sony user knows unless we use manual our cameras don’t stand up to the competition and that includes the 8 mp snapper on the iPhone and even the Nokia N8. So either let Sony know that we are pissed that the camera software and the lens combo is poor or help us by breathing down Sony’s neck to help us and stop poking fun at the xperia line.

  • Rene Pedroso
  • Naail Zahid

    Lol I know what you mean. It’s always the same two guys claiming xperia z2 is the best and how they can make the manual mode better than dslr cameras haha

  • Afzal Zainal Rddz

    weird when i beat my friend using ip6 n s6 with my z3 but the reviewer said the other Way around. Well nothing much to said when majority of the user depending so much in auto mode and care less how manual mode can create wonders. Sony need to provide to this amature auto user with a better auto mode.

  • Svnjay

    They use the IMX 220.

  • Timel

    You’re bullshit -_-

  • Simon Setyadarma

    They use a different sensor tho

  • Aman Nankani

    the cruise ship one: it is actually disappointing..
    but the green car one : not that bad..

  • DBS

    Thanks, I’m glad you found that useful. Unfortunately you’ll still get inferior pictures out of the Z3 than you get out of the 808/1020. Unless of course you have no clue on how to use REAL manual mode (not that half-assed thing Sony has). And that “Academy” won’t teach you that.

    Maybe you should leave photography comments to those of us who know what we’re talking about ;)

  • Simon Setyadarma

    They look sharpened … : too much sharpened

  • Simon Setyadarma

    because sometimes people want to open and shoot, not open, set those manual controls then shoot.. :
    So they need to fix their SA..

  • Try to understand. This Blog is not official. This is a independent Unofficial Blog

  • hell yeaaa

  • Vuyo Ncube

    Sony, please dump the IMX220 already and move to the IMX230 (or something bigger)! The main ISP must be buggered and underpowered for a 20.7 MP sensor even with Qualcomm’s built in ISPs. The dynamic range and colour representation actually look pretty good and comparable to the other phones but noise reduction and sharpening are too harsh and ruin the images! Maybe cut back on the pixel count a bit. A large 16MP sensor with OSPDAF and OIS (and maybe IR sensor) would be great for the Z5!

  • Simon Setyadarma

    I think this is just a fan-made based… so don’t expect too much, well I do understand you, but we have to see the fact that Sony is losing their position in camera segment..
    They need to grow up and fix the software or change to the newer sensor :

  • Timel

    People know Sony as one of the greatest camera maker, Too bad now people know Sony as the worst smartphone camera maker.

  • Rene Pedroso

    If you access the academy site they do teach you haw to use manual mode. Remember that these are pros who are using the device. Most people on this Blog are not pros and are only reading what others are posting (pictures) but not giving all the facts (how these reviewers are taking the pics, settings etc…). I am not a pro but from what I have seen the device is capable of taking remarkable pics

  • Timel

    You must go to Sony Mobile blog and complain there

    Sony doesn’t ever care XperiaBlog!

  • DBS

    It can take great pictures, no one said the Z3 is an HTC M8 or a Moto X. It just can’t take better pictures than the G4 or the Nokia 808/1020. Starting with the fact that Sony’s manual mode isn’t REALLY manual. You can’t access shutter speed or manual focus for example. The ISO options are limited to certain definitions etc. No matter how great the hardware is, Sony’s software limits a lot what you can do with it.

  • DBS

    It can take great pictures, no one said the Z3 is an HTC M8 or a Moto X. It just can’t take better pictures than the G4 or the Nokia 808/1020. Starting with the fact that Sony’s manual mode isn’t REALLY manual. You can’t access shutter speed or manual focus for example. The ISO options are limited to certain definitions etc. No matter how great the hardware is, Sony’s software limits a lot what you can do with it.

  • Timel

    The Xperia Z5 must come with the awesome camera (awesome h/w and awesome s/w) if Sony Mobile wanna live.

  • Timel

    The Xperia Z5 must come with the awesome camera (awesome h/w and awesome s/w) if Sony Mobile wanna live.

  • Rene Pedroso

    I agree to disagree, LOL.

  • Rene Pedroso

    I agree to disagree, LOL.

  • DBS

    Lol Ok. But I hope you get a chance to try the G4 or a Nokia 808/1020 so you can really understand what’s missing in Sony’s cameras ;)

  • DBS

    Lol Ok. But I hope you get a chance to try the G4 or a Nokia 808/1020 so you can really understand what’s missing in Sony’s cameras ;)

  • Great Dude

    Why you take Nokia 808 with Z33 , wouldn’t it better to get a stand alone camera ?

  • Abdul Ghani

    Actually I have to admit without those people who uses z2, and 808 claims their camera is better than an actual camera is funny otherwise XperiaBlog would be boring that’s why I visit xperia blog to laugh at their comments and in the end there is timel the best troller

  • Abdul Ghani

    Actually I have to admit without those people who uses z2, and 808 claims their camera is better than an actual camera is funny otherwise XperiaBlog would be boring that’s why I visit xperia blog to laugh at their comments and in the end there is timel the best troller

  • Rene Pedroso

    I have honestly never used any other smartphone brand than Sony when it comes to mobile devices. I have started with the X1 and now have the XZ3+ (Ice Green, Dual Sim). The Novice user on a smartphone absolutely loves my phone for pics.

  • Rene Pedroso

    I have honestly never used any other smartphone brand than Sony when it comes to mobile devices. I have started with the X1 and now have the XZ3+ (Ice Green, Dual Sim). The Novice user on a smartphone absolutely loves my phone for pics.

  • Hao Kuang

    guys i have this problem the music will just stop half way and will continue after 10 seconds. i am using music app(walkman), the problem only started after updating to lollipop. i try other player but still having same problem. can someone help. sony c3

  • Hao Kuang

    guys i have this problem the music will just stop half way and will continue after 10 seconds. i am using music app(walkman), the problem only started after updating to lollipop. i try other player but still having same problem. can someone help. sony c3

  • Abdul Ghani

    I can agree about the pros here on this site some claim that their z2 beats dslr quality and their pictures are out of this world one claim 808 beats sonys qx100 (FWI it has 1inch sensor and carls zies f1.8 lens )
    All we have to do is grap popcorn and read funny comments from the noobs

  • Abdul Ghani

    I can agree about the pros here on this site some claim that their z2 beats dslr quality and their pictures are out of this world one claim 808 beats sonys qx100 (FWI it has 1inch sensor and carls zies f1.8 lens )
    All we have to do is grap popcorn and read funny comments from the noobs

  • Great Dude

    Well, these are professional photographers who probably use tripods(even if they don’t ,their hand shouldn’t shake like ours).
    Also, they know better than us how to use manual controls when taking a shot.
    How do you know that these photographers won’t make better photos using other phones?
    If they make a comparison between several phones using automatic only, then I would agree to you.

  • Great Dude

    Well, these are professional photographers who probably use tripods(even if they don’t ,their hand shouldn’t shake like ours).
    Also, they know better than us how to use manual controls when taking a shot.
    How do you know that these photographers won’t make better photos using other phones?
    If they make a comparison between several phones using automatic only, then I would agree to you.

  • Timel

    That’s why you’re such a narrow minded person, you must get out of Sony crave and then try the great smartphone camera like LG G4 and Nokia 808/1020

  • Timel

    That’s why you’re such a narrow minded person, you must get out of Sony crave and then try the great smartphone camera like LG G4 and Nokia 808/1020

  • Great Dude

    I hope Xperia Blog answer your question whether they send these to Sony or not.
    However, I believe that their job is to give you news about Xperia devices even if it was bitter or bad news.

  • Great Dude

    I hope Xperia Blog answer your question whether they send these to Sony or not.
    However, I believe that their job is to give you news about Xperia devices even if it was bitter or bad news.

  • Rene Pedroso

    These pros are not comparing, just showing the capabilities of the Z3. I am sure there are topics, blogs & posts that other manufacturers has done on their products that their customers can use to make a decision to purchase their phones

  • HAWX

    Well If you try hard, most phone’s camera’s will capture better. But most people wants consistently good photos without entering in the details. There is not much time for that in most photos unless you are an explorer etc. And Z line isn’t that bad If you take some timne and adjust the settings actually, I agree on that. But Samsung and Apple have more consistency and quicker capturing time, which is better for most average people.

  • Great Dude

    I believe that Xperia cameras are good and your links prove that as well.
    They aren’t crap as some people say, they make good shots and I don’t think customers would be disappointed with them.
    However, we always hope Sony to be the best, not just good.

  • Great Dude

    I believe that Xperia cameras are good and your links prove that as well.
    They aren’t crap as some people say, they make good shots and I don’t think customers would be disappointed with them.
    However, we always hope Sony to be the best, not just good.

  • Rene Pedroso

    Absolutely not, I think that all of the smartphones that are currently out there are excellent. Sony is my preference. My kids (4) currently have iPhone 6, 6+, SG6 Edge. I pay far all of these devices and I see them in action all the time. They are excellent devices. Those are the products they prefer and they always tell me how mine sucks and theirs are better, LOL. I am only speaking of what info is out there about the quality of pics you can get from the Xperia line

  • Rene Pedroso

    Definitely Agree that they should be the best considering they make Cameras, lol

  • Rene Pedroso

    Definitely Agree that they should be the best considering they make Cameras, lol

  • HAWX

    Yeah, some people does not have heavy graphic games in their device, and wants a decent camera in their smartphone, and love Sony desing could go Z3+. Z3+ does not have the best camera, but it’s a good camera compared to most phone cameras. It gets the job done for most people. I wish Z3+ was a little bit cheaper, but again If you are happy, ignore funny Timel :)

  • HAWX

    Yeah, some people does not have heavy graphic games in their device, and wants a decent camera in their smartphone, and love Sony desing could go Z3+. Z3+ does not have the best camera, but it’s a good camera compared to most phone cameras. It gets the job done for most people. I wish Z3+ was a little bit cheaper, but again If you are happy, ignore funny Timel :)

  • Timel

    In reality, people want the best product
    Every smartphone makers have always focused on camera quality (except Sony)

    If people(don’t count Xperia fanboys) know that Z3 plus camera is worse than S6 edge, iPhone 6 plus and LG G4 , they will not buy Z3 plus for sure, because they feel it’s not worth their money.

  • DBS

    Because the only stand alone cameras good enough to replace the 808/1020 are way too bulky to comfortably fit in your pocket.

  • Rene Pedroso

    I purchased my XZ3+ for $625 USD. Not bad

  • Rene Pedroso
  • HAWX

    Timel, That’s why I said I wish it was little cheaper ;)

  • Timel

    The Xperia Z5 must come with the awesome camera (awesome h/w and s/w) if Sony Mobile wanna live. Sony must blow everyone’s mind with awesome camera like LG G4 or Nokia 808/1020 or better.

    I also heard that the King Nokia is coming back next year, watch out Sony!!!

  • Timel

    Yeah I see brother, I just wanna say smth… ^_^

  • HAWX

    WoW man, that’s the exact price of Z2 in my country, right now! Nice price. But I don’t know how it compares to other rivals there actually :)

  • Rene Pedroso

    Tell me what rivals and I will locate current USD pricing

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    IMX 220 on all Z1 and Z2 Z3 but IMX230 on Z3+ IMX240 on S6, As I can recall. Maybe I am wrong, but still I don’t think it’s the fault of the hardware, They just don’t take camera software seriously.
    Trust me when you loads of apps installed on your phone. it takes about 2-3secs to open up the camera, also takes ages to take pictures. Wonder when it’ll be snappier. Maybe never.

  • malinalaza

    OK, and what parameters do you adjust in manual mod? You set the ISO to 100 or whatever, and? What else? Maybe you can show here one of your wonders created in manual mod with a Sony Xperia? I would love to see that.

  • roeshak

    Indeed. Sony’s software is very limiting. Full manual controls should be their next step as well as the inclusion of OIS. We need shutter speed as well as proper iso controls and a kelvin scale for white balance.
    I don’t really care that much for auto mode because I prefer to take the photo myself but without the addition of these things Sony mobile will remain stagnant on the camera front

  • roeshak

    Learn to use manual settings and adjust white balance . The xperia cameras always go for very cold white balance in auto especially indoors

  • malinalaza

    Yeah, a 500 pixel image will look good. Here is one of mine. It doesn’t look so bad, right? And then the 100% crop from the original size, near center. It doesn’t look so good, right? The EXIF say ISO 40, f/2.4, 1/320 sec.

  • Timel

    That’s just a maketing hype, worhless to me!

  • jakobd.

    Sony wonders what really expect buyers from you? Or Sony developed the smartphone at its own review and self-interest?

    Sony finally improves the camera What is this please? HTC seeks at least to improve their camera and what makes her since Z1 the camera is almost unchanged! Please give you the trouble, worst camera of all it’s very embarrassing, believe and hope so many people to you wi’rd time that it finally makes it better, please Sony!

  • Matt

    Yep, it’s nice to have people with brains like you around. Haha I think I know who made that 808 claim, quite silly :)

    Let us eat our popcorn and see this camera professionals make our xperia camera better than canon 1DX

  • Matt

    When they don’t even know what aperture is -_-. . Itu might took sometime to realise that we are speaking about a camera that stuck in (in my z3 case) 7,3 mm body without hump.. . So yeah

  • ZeRo+

    I see only one way: Sony must hire good programmers!

  • gamer324

    To be honest the white balance in all the pictures is just so far and away different, that one can’t even begin to do a proper apples vs. apples comparison.

    Also of note is that the person who shot these pictures put the z3+ in manual, however even with all the better manual controls in the other phones, couldn’t be bothered to match the settings even if slightly. It would’ve at least made sense to match the ISO, white balance and resolution, but sadly no such effort was made.

    And let’s not forget that we again have no control shot from a DSLR, to see which phone actually captured the most realistic photo.

    TL;DR : Let’s wait for a more competent comparison from dpreview or even gsmarena (lol) for that matter

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    My conclusion: Xperia shots are best…
    Even if they are the downgraded 16 mpx ones instead of 20.7 mpx…(as usual, the bullshit continues to roam)
    Dont know what is that reviewer looking at in picture quality exactly:
    Softness or sharpness?
    Pixel contrast? Color gamut?
    Exposure/contrast ratio or overexposure/oversharpening ratio?

    In pond picture most detail preserved…fudges in the back at 100 crop?!?
    Xperia has different autofocus algorithms due to different focal length, that is why in front it preserves most detail and does smudges in the back. Go look for smudges in different areas of that g4 shot and you ll find loads of them…
    Amateur work in comparisson.

    In ferry picture most detail preserved and more to real life ambient, not overexposed as g4…
    S6 crop is ridiculously low in detail and sharpness due to softening algorithm
    G4 looses detail due to light overexposuring

    In green car picture more detail than s6 and better lowlight performance than g4…
    Keep ISO in auto mode and increase exposure in manual to avoid grain
    The reviewer doesnt have a clue….

    Btw. Why are all these reviews done by amateurs?
    And Using max tech from s6 and g4, but downgraded 16 mpx tech capabilities from z3+ and nokia?!?
    Where are xperias 20.7 mpx shots?!?
    Deliberately forgotten?
    Sharlatans…

  • Vjekoslav Andric

    And if anyone has a need to reply, dont bother….
    You are just plain subjective, just as I am…
    And Just as this guys conclusions are…
    But no 20.7 mpx samples is not subjective, but objective miss in comparisson logic

  • ZeRo+
  • Vjekoslav Andric

    Gsma arena?!?
    Are you seriously serious?
    They just go into manual and shoot without any adjustment…
    And even if shots are better they somehow proclaim them worse, sometimes because of grain, othertimes because of back smudges that all other shots have, this time they will blaim it on oversharpening effects, just as this one did….

  • ZeRo+
  • Timel

    I don’t think Sony will make the best camera phone. The fact that Sony afraid that if they make the smartphone camera too good then no one will buy Cyber-shot cameras, the horrible phone camera of Xperia smartphones is Sony’s desire, so You’ll notice that why Sony highlights about waterproof feature so much.

    So!
    Sony Xperia flagship phones = classy smartphones with waterproof feature.

    Sony is too chicken to make the best camera phone but Sony forget that today smartphone is eating compact camera maketshare and in the near future no one will buy compact camera which will be replaced by smartphone and finally Sony will lose both markets, smartphone market and point and shoot camera market.

  • Ryan Kumar-jassi

    I’m quite surprised how much more natural the colours are on the g4 over the s6 the z3+ just looks too cold

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  • Thariq Mohammed

    This test is not comparable with other flagships.
    Since he use manual mode at 15mp, he must tune the camera at best to capture the moment, eg- white balance, iso, focusing mode, metering etc.
    (but LG g4’s processing is fantastic)

  • betatesterz

    Those are photos are taken in a controlled environment with good lighting control(less the cat photo which comes from some creative post processing). I’ll bet you’d be able to get better quality images with those same lighting setups with another camera.

    The point is the quality in the camera of the Z series are lacking as compared to other brands.

  • Afzal Zainal Rddz

    It will be no problem for the other brand device to create equaly same result i taken as long the manual mode offer metering selection but currently the ip6 iam using now dont have that option and had limit to do more. the only issue iam seeing in sony is their superior auto. The scene reaction to select best mode and enhanced a bit slow to response causing wrong wb n scene provide not accurate. The user need to wait for the superior auto to select best selection before the user press the cam key which is not good for point n shoot user.( consume time to wait ) In manual mode if sony provide manual focus rather then touch to focus it would be great as the other oem already adapt that option.

  • deekbee

    DXOMark, thats the bunch of incompetents who masquerade as serious analysts … don’t believe a thing that they write.

  • deekbee

    I was considering the Z3 Plus to replace my old Nokia 1020, but having seen this, and your comments, I can’t see the point.

    I’ve recently picked up a variant of the ZTE Blade 6+, which has a semi acceptable camera (looks like the same 13mp unit as in the original Xperia Z) and covers my Android/app requirements, and I can carry the 808 or 1020 for imaging duties.

    So I can keep the 808 or 1020 in one pocket and the Smart Ultra 6 in t’other :)

  • deekbee

    It isn’t necessarily the programmers, it is more likely those who design the algorithms. Programmers often only implement what they’re asked to do …

  • deekbee

    Not the same “Nokia” that produced the 808 and 1020 – all the expertise that developed those products has now been scattered all over the industry – some of the leads moved to Apple, the primary tech lead moved to Jaguar Land Rover.

  • deekbee

    “actual camera” is a bit vague. You mean “better than DSLR” or “better than a dedicated compact camera”.

    The latter is easy – the 808 is better than the majority of dedicated compacts, as a decent prime lens (808) typically gives much better optical quality than a cheap/nasty compact with zoom (most of the compact zooms have lousy optical quality).

    DSLR though, no way. Sometimes the 808 can give DSLR *like* results, as in exceptional quality, but it can never rival the creative control of a DSLR.

  • kin p

    Girls and guys, Sony will never make their phone cameras better because they dont want to sabotage their million $$$$ camera business. If you really want the best photos please buy a dedicated camera, it’s called a “camera”. Many of us here whine so much about phone camera because the camera sucks but we’re forgetting it’s a freaking phone!

  • kin p

    Well said. Sony will never make their smartphones camera any better because they want to protect their camera business

  • Rogue

    Xperia blog had to get permission from Sony to use the xperia name! There was another xperia site that only dealt with xperia and Sony related stuff and Sony pulled the plug on them for using their name without approval. With that said Sony has to be in agreement with whoever owns this site and therefore that person /persons should stop poking fun and try to help with improvements.

  • BruceLeeRoyJenkins

    So I shouldn’t believe that when the Xperia Z1 came out it was the best camera at the time?

  • deekbee

    The Z1 camera was okay, but it clearly wasn’t as good as the 1020, which in turn wasn’t as good as the 808.

    One of the failings of DXOMark is their inane refusal to retest – the 1020 received major camera updates that were ignored, the 808 received some minor updates too – similarly ignored by DXOMark.

    Interesting that you mention the Z1, I was close to picking one up last week ….

  • Abdul Ghani

    a 100 dollars sonys digital camera beats 808 easily

  • deekbee

    No, it doesn’t. That has been demonstrated repeatedly – any $100 dedicated camera has a lousy lens and a small/phone sized sensor. They are generally not that good.

  • Abdul Ghani

    ur calling sonys g lens horrible u drunk (i personally a qx30 user it beats the shit out of 808 and any other phone camera because its big camera) so coming back to the point i have compared 130 dollars sonys camera 20mp one with 808 that also beats the shit plus advantage optical zoom on a 130 dollars camera open ur eyes and do test personally not read retards on internet

  • deekbee

    Its a cheap zoom – which NEVER matches a prime. That is a demonstrable fact, which I have repeatedly proven with my own eyes, and has also been corroborate through repeated comparisons.

    You are about the only person who thinks that a cheap zoom camera can better the 808 ….

    Cheap zooms are handy, sure, but optical quality is not something that they have ever been known for. The large zooms are there for convenience and marketing purposes, not for quality.

    And when I say “lousy” it is a relative thing – compared to a similarly priced prime. For example, I have a 50mm F1.8 prime on my DSLR, it is absolutely stunning. I also have a considerably more expensive 28-300 lens that is good, but nowhere near the quality of the prime.

  • Naail Zahid

    Exactly. And this is why Xperias are the worst point and shoots and iPhones are eating Xperia sales…

  • Abdul Ghani

    hahaha without any real test u just assume good to know defending a mobile camera i guess ull say qx30 will get beaten by 808 right

  • Abdul Ghani

    totally agree with u i have z2 i have its auto mode yuk those results and also i tried the manual mode which aint real manual mode and that also sucks big time and if i want to a really good picture i just qx30

  • Martin Deschambault

    The first crop of the cruise ship belongs to the LG G4. It’s well exposed with good balance between the highlights, mids and shadows. The G4 is also sharper and it has better contrast. The Sony Z3+ falls short in the cruise ship department, but it really shines in the low light car shot. The only one that comes close is the Samsung Galaxy S6. It loses to the Z3+ in shadow detail and overall sharpness.

  • Timel

    so sad, Sony Mobile will go bankrupt in soon I think.

  • Timel

    At least Nokia still owns all important and valuable patents (including pureview camera).

  • Simon Setyadarma

    Well, it could be like that. But XperiaBlog just post the news, they quoted it from somewhere and posted here, they’re just be real, doesn’t mean if this a Xperiablog so they should post all the goods and not with the bad ones.. So this is how they want Sony to improve, even the XperiaBlog must admit that the newest flagship lose in competition.
    Actually, this is not a feedback page or whatever it is, just a blog posting news about Xperia, nothing else.

  • Simon Setyadarma

    Yeah, I guess so, so is Samsung :)

  • ZeRo+

    No,n, no.. Programmers write software for the camera, it’s their fault, it is, as you wrote, the same algorithms.) For so many years, they have not been able to show all potential of this 20 mp sensor.

  • Sibtain

    Timel…. Just shut the fuck up. You live on the Internet, commenting on every single thing that someone says; regardless whether it is good or bad. Like, what’s the purpose of your life? To comment on XperiaBlog? Just get off the Internet and GET A LIFE!

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    I know how to use the manual settings, but that doesn’t mean it will be good as LG G4 or S6 man. They need to see what’s going on. I think this DRM bullshit gotta do something with Screwing up the camera. I am pretty sure about that.

  • Chan Kin Cheung

    so dammit true, but we consumers want the best of all all condensed in a small package.

  • Nodar Sixarulidze
  • fried_egg

    it always makes me laugh how things capture the same image so differently… “calibration” is not a standard yet it seems… i like the z3+ images. but as i didnt see the original i dont know what it actually looked like!

  • fried_egg

    i dont think sony think a £600 phone will canibalise a £200 snap camera market! it is the other way around.. but dont expect a £600 camera to match the performance of a dedicated A series or RX series camera which costs more than the phone! for a start the phone doesnt have the lens size! my HX50 may have a lot in common with my Z1, but the phone hasnt got a fraction of the glass or zoom mechanism so it has no chance to be the same

  • gamer324

    Actually mentioning gsmarena was a half-joke to be frank. ;-)
    While their comparisons aren’t unbiased (they loooove samsung)
    The shots themselves are usually done at about the same settings or use the Auto mode on all phones. I usually just ignore what they write and look at the full sized images.
    But honestly there’s only dpreview whose comparisons are properly professional. Other than that I do enjoy the blind camera comparisons that gsmarena and phonearena do.

  • jakobd.

    looks at the camera Z3 + how bad the still compared to Lg g4 or Samsung Galaxy S6 is !!! Writes Sony which they are to optimize the camera much better, I do it every day until you get it! finally want a very good camera at least at the current Sony Smartphone !!! please people who want to buy that makes Z3 + with !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kOIVEn_dWI

  • jakobd.

    And here Lg g4 low light and Samsung s6

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6nGqul7FJc

  • ph00ny

    When they dont have the hardware in their possession, you expect them to rerun the test with thin air?

    Should they retrst every single piece of hardware once it gets updated? What youre asking for is hard to accomplish when they dont own the hardware that theyre testing

  • jakobd.

    lg g4 vs sony xperia z3+ . winner lg g4 :-((

    http://www.sogi.com.tw/articles/sony_z3_plus_lg_g4/6242084

  • pytajnik

    this is hilarious, and people who are going to buy this crap will keep lying themselves just like 2 years ago when the Z1 came out – “best hardware in the world, but the software needs a little work, it will be better after an update for sure!”. No won’t get better, Sony progammers have no skills at all. Sony became irrelevant.

  • jakobd.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g6sdWOc9k4

    Please look this video ! 1. the Z3+ Camera Auto Focus is much worse than LG G4 AF (Z3+in low light even worse) 2. Microphone when Z3 + is much quieter and overdriven mikropfon as Lg G4 3. the focus is totally bad at Z3 +! looks on people’s faces when Z3 + no Deteil everything blurred and full of stuttering that’s the old Z3 until today so that’s bad! .4, Eliminates finally the gray haze of camera you have an aperture of f2.0 so useful there, the camera could be so much better!

    Each fan is again disappointed by the camera, it optimizes finally better, please!

  • EQ

    The Nokia 808 PureView wins. Nothing strange considering the huge camera and thick phone aswell as 38MP. As for Xperia Z3+ they say they tested it “at highest resolution” yet they choose 15,5MP (16:9). Highest is 21MP (4:3). Anyhow the Z3 came second despite some oversharpening. I would say Z1 and Z2 would do better since they dont do the oversharpening but have pretty much same camera bar some modifications.

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