Sony Exmor RS IMX230 camera sensor will be heading to future Xperia smartphones

by XB on 17th November 2014

in Imaging


Sony Exmor RS IMX230_1Sony has announced a new 1/2.4-inch 21 megapixel camera sensor in the form of the Exmor RS IMX230 that will be found in future smartphones. Sony says this is the first stacked CMOS imaging sensor with an on-board image plane phase detection AF signal processing function.

What this means in plain English, is that it is capable of keeping focus of fast-moving objects. Sony says that up to 192 auto-focus points can be used (as seen in the picture below), with the entire work carried out by the sensor’s internal image processing circuits.

Sony Exmor RS IMX230_2

Another new feature is HDR (High Dynamic Range) support for high-resolution still images and 4K video recording. Sony says that the new sensor will start shipping in April 2015, so there is a strong likelihood that we will see the IMX230 chip included in Sony’s next flagship.

In terms of future roadmap, Sony plans to release a 16 megapixel CMOS camera sensor by March 2016 that will also feature high-speed autofocus (image plane phase detection AF) and HDR support for 4K (4096 x 2160) videos and high-res still images.

Key Specifications – Sony Exmor RS IMX230

Number of effective pixels: 5344 (H) x 4016 (V) 21 megapixels
Image size: Diagonal 7.487mm (Type: 1/2.4)
Unit cell size: 1.12?m (H) x 1.12?m (V)
Key features: Image plane phase detection AF, HDR imaging, white spot correction, NR
Image format: Bayer RAW

Sony Exmor RS IMX230_1

Thanks @walaspancha!

  • shhh

    Much more believable to be in the Z4 then the 1.5″ APCS sensor that was lately rumored.

  • DBS

    This is all very nice but Sony should concern themselves with including OIS in their cameras. It would make a world of difference in the results.

  • AliG

    Digital image stabilization is much more better than OIS.

  • J.

    I want this in Z4 Ultra…

  • Abdul Ghani

    maybe sony finally fixed the horrible algorithm and post processing

  • DBS

    You don’t understand much about photography I see…

  • Kamil1308

    Sample

  • BarKohba

    In general OIS is obviously better than DIS. But what AliG wanted to say (i think) is that at least as far as mobile is concerned, Xperia z3’s digital stabilisation has been shown to be overall better than Iphone 6 plus’s OIS.

  • Mohammed Khired

    marketing hype bullshit , as usual from sony…

  • ahomad hosin

    that is right, and not just iPhone but also better than LG and samsung OIS in term of stabilization (not photo quality) which is what OIS is for

  • ahomad hosin

    or the curved one, although I think one of these two would make a huge improvement but the above one doesn’t seem to make a huge improvement

  • ahomad hosin

    me upgrading from Z1 would need SD810 and big improvement to the camera, The curved sensor looked promising and then the 1.5 APC was interesting but with this one I might wait for reviews before deciding to upgrade.

  • Boring Sony

    Yeahhhhhhhhh this problem need a quickly improvement

    Don’t Sony know this?

  • Xperia z2

    I hope the new sensor will drastically improve the focus and shutter time of the xperia z line. Note 4 and IPhone 6 just owns the z3 at this aspect.

  • lovebmw

    Let me guess, a 2.1 mb picture size that ruins everything you just read!

  • Fan of Xperia device

    I want Sony to fix three things on their camera:
    1. Tone down their over aggressive NR
    2. Fix their slightly over-exposed tendencies in broad daylight.
    3. A new camera UI. Their camera UI looks ancient and doesn’t look like it is suitable for touchscreen phone. A moderen looking UI would be awesome (like lumica or HTC camera UI)

    It would be even more awesome if they add RAW support to their camera.

  • matt

    yes because in serous photography you have to get the best equipment instead of brilliant ideas or learn composing a photo, and oh what are we talking about? oh its a phone. i would rather take software stabilization than portuding camera

  • DBS

    He was pretty adamant declaring “Digital image stabilization is much more better than OIS”

    Sony did a good job with the DIS in their phones. However I don’t think we should compare Sony’s cameras with the iPhone ones. We should be comparing them with the best cameras in mobile and those belong to Nokia which had OIS in their phones.

  • Abdul Ghani

    with this new hardware is for sure for z4 so main things sony needs to is fix the software and use the actual bionz image processing not the fake ones found in z1 z2 z3 if that is done no other smarphone will beat sony in terms of camera

  • techielover

    Oh well Wait!! What about there Image algorithm?Are they improving as well next year??

  • DBS

    If you buy a phone with a 20mp camera, one assumes you care somewhat about photography. And there’s no use in knowing how to compose photos or have brilliant ideas when the hardware fights against you. And even so, it doesn’t exclude the fact that you get better results with OIS than DIS.

    Just because your only concern is design, it doesn’t mean that’s the concern of everyone who chooses a phone with high quality cameras.

    Not only that, what makes technology move forward is precisely the search for overcoming problems such as the “protruding” camera lenses. Sony has a long enough tradition in cameras to be able to innovate and manage to put OIS in a phone without adding protruding housings or thicker phones.

  • Dickson

    Sony Xperia Z4 Camera 23 Megapixel better than 21 Megapixel
    And CMOS camera sensor upgrade

  • Dickson

    Xperia Z4 Smart Feature for Samsung Note 4 and S5

  • Dickson

    Xprria Z4 new smart feature and fingerprint touch id better than not feature please

  • THE TRUTH

    This is nothing but hype and Z3’s camera is much worse than its competitors, the worst. Look what Nokia did with Lumia 1020, look what Samsung and Apple did with their Note 4 and iPhone 6, cameras of them are very impressive atleast it’s clearly better than Sony’s Z3.

  • Better Way

    Touch ID will increase bezels, I prefer fingerprint on screen, sony gotta put the sensor behind the display.

  • Vector Teh

    So you’re arguing in terms of software or hardware? Be more specific in your argument, man.

  • Mohamed Maharoof M

    what about the curved cmos sensor with acps?

  • Asif Kader

    what good will a new sensor do if sonys algorithms sucks monkeyballs -.-

  • loool! First of all, they’re different and they complement each other. Digital stabilization cannot do what you can do with OIS, and on the other hand there are situations where OIS is not useful and the only solution is to raise the ISO.
    The problem is that raising the ISO is something you can always do, whether you call it “digital stabilization” or not, while OIS requires ad-hoc hardware. So actually every phone has “digital stabilization” (just set a higher ISO sensitivity), but not every phone has OIS.

  • David van der Zande

    That’s software. Both Samsung and Apple are using Sony sensors. The software for the camera in Xperia phones is developed in Sweden, instead of Japan (were compact camera’s like RX100 are developed). The Swedish developers are just not capable or smart enough to write good software. That’s it.

  • Fan of Xperia device

    I have done my research and i found out that not only Sony’s smartphones but also their high end cameras have this tendency of applying over aggressive NR. Bionz and Bionz’s more recent version bionz x has the tendency of applying over aggressive Noise reduction as a result low contrast area turn into mushy looking detail. And we all know that mushy looking details looks bad.

    Check out dpreview.com. Compare Sony’s cameras with other manufacturers cameras and also read some of Sony’s cameras review. You’ll understand what is mean.

  • Sachin Gautam

    The software is pathetic, but the hardware is top notch in plain language

  • Jesus Navas From Sony OK EIF
  • jumbo3220

    and they have patterned it in 2011, on screen fingerprint scanner

  • Zivan Dolor Del Monte

    Android suits my life and apple dont. I hate samsung, i hate htc, i hate china, left me with Sony, i would says, sony have a worst camera (im a z2 user), if you compare to iphone 6 and s5 we will be shocked.. Really, in reality sony have the worst… My moto g can do better photos. So pls SoNy, whoever responsible for this camera pls replace them who work on apple or maybe canon or nikon. Your camera is worst.. Anyway i love sony products.

  • matticitt

    But what does it matter? It’s Sony’s smartphone and they should fix it. What does it matter If the hardware is superb when the results are pathetic?

  • Realist
  • Dickson

    Xperia Z4 screen display better than Xperia Z3
    Xperia Z4 slimmer better than Xperia Z3
    Xperia Z4 RGB Colour better than Xperia Z2
    Xperia Z4Camera 23 Megapixel and Front Camera 5, 2 Megapixel
    XPERIA Z4 EXMOR RS AND EXMOR R Upgrade Sensor
    Xperia CMOS Camera sensor upgrade best camera
    XPERIA Z4 APCS Camera Sensor/RGB Sensor
    Xperia Z4 Display for TRILUMINOS DISPLAY , X-Reality Display , Live Color LED , and Super Vivid Mode, and New Display ( Bravia Engine 3 )
    XPERIA Z4 Battery Life up to 3, 5/4 days better than Xperia Z3
    XPERIA Z4 Dual LED Flash ( Xenon Flash )
    Xperia Z4 LED Indicator ( Colourful )
    XPERIA Z4 update camera app and new camera app
    Xperia App Update Album, WALKMAN, Movies, PlayStation Mode, PlayMemories, Sony Select, Sony eBook, Sony Reader, Explore, Lounge , Lifelog , Sketch, Camera, Contact, Message, Call, XperiaTransfer for Dekstop and Mobile , Google PlayStore , Google App, Xperia TV , Music Unlimited, Radio, Gogle Internet, And etc
    XPERIA Z4 New Smart Feature and Fingerprint ID Touch
    XPERIA Z4 OmniBalance Design, Liquid Metal, Dragontrail front glass , Scratch Reistatnt/Shatterproof, Shuter Film, Water & Dust Tight ( IP65/I69) , Tempered Glass, Solid , Metal Frame , Aluminium power button , and Corning Gorilla Glass 3 back glass sepcial coating for Japan
    Xperia Z4 New Feature Xperia RemoteTV, Xperia Booster ( Faster Download ) , ULTRA STAMINA MODE, Smart Handles, Smart Pause, Smart Scroll, Smart Air View , Xperia Smart Multi Window , Smart Note , and Wi-Fi Calling
    Xperia Z4 DIS better than OIS

    XPERIA Z4 Audio = Stereo Sepakers, S Force Surround, Dual Front Sound, Xperia BoomSound, Beats Audio, Hi-Reas Audio, DSEE HX , ClearAudo, ClearPhase, ClearBass, ClearAudio, ClearSound, and etc
    XPRIA Z4 Android Lollipop 5.1 and Sony UI Changed Display
    Xperia Z4 Quad Core 3.0GHz Chipset 805/810 Qualcomn Snapdragon
    Xperia Z4 Battery Life 3.380mAh
    I LOVE XPERIA

  • Dickson

    XPERIA Z4 Camera Other Feature Copy Paste for Xperia Z, Z1, Z2, Z3 , and Galaxy Note 4 and New Other Feature for Xperia Z4 ?

  • Dickson

    I Like Xperia Z Series

  • field

    That’s not at all what digital image stabilisation is haha. Type it in to Google and you’ll see it has nothing to do with ISO levels and more to do with artificially reducing the field of view and compensating for shake by using the excess information recording around the artificial field of view.

  • Rifqi Al Fariz

    Put this thing on xperia z4 & add 16gb internal storage. Now that’s hype.

  • Dickson

    Thank you , friend

  • Dickson

    XPEEIA Z4 Music Format = WAV, M4A, MP3, MP4 , AAC AND ETC

  • Abdul Ghani

    so true

  • Faisal Armand

    Exactly

    Dude, I own 2 Xperia smartphones, Xperia Z & Xperia Z2.. And I also noticed that sony seems to do aggresive processing (strong NR + Strong sharpening) in daylight. But in indoors, and night shots, the processing isn’t as aggresive, hence why xperia smartphones tend to beat its android cameraphone rival in those conditions.

    What do you think?

  • Alex Norris

    Like i said, this 20 mp. camera – is never ending story :DDD Goodbye curved sensor, goodbye our dreams about good camera ((( What 1/2.4 size ?? Lol, New sensor even smaller than previous )) Thank you Sony, thank you so much http://img0.joyreactor.cc/pics/post/???????-?????-?????-????-?????????-370773.gif

  • Faisal Armand

    Coming from Z2, if I am to upgrade to Z4, the camera must be a big upgrade. If it has the same 1/2.3″ish 21MP sensor, then i’m not going to upgrade

    Because why?

    Lollipop has RAW, full manual controls and it is on the verge of coming to Z2 & Z3. Even if the camera algorithm stays the same, RAW is there to fix it. Plain and simple.

    Quad HD Screen is a fine addition, but I am perfectly happy with the Full HD Screen of Z2.

    The battery life of Z2 is outstanding enough as is the performance

    The noise cancelling headset.. Not even $600 BEATS headphone can beat it, enough said already

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  • Faisal Armand

    Well i’m not going to upgrade to Z4 thanks to this rumored 1/2.4ish camera alone :D

  • roeshak

    Because with manual controls you can take advantage of the top notch hardware. The note 4 and iPhone 6 are only better in automatic mode but the Z1,z2,z3 have more potential and raw capability. They are just too fiddly for most mainstream users who just want to point and shoot.
    I have never found any iPhone to outperform any xperia I’ve owned because I’ve always been a manual mode user making adjustments for WB, exposure, and iso accordingly.
    Is that an ideal situation? No! Sony does need to significantly improve the automation of its smartphone cameras. They’ll always look weaker at face value otherwise.

  • Billy de Fretes

    most of us agree that sony sensor doing great job and deliver better result than xperia line up (galaxy S4,S5, iphone 4,4s,5,5s,6,6+) … almost 2 years since first Z and yet somehow below expectation as we seen in old cybershot phones

  • roeshak

    Has nothing to do with that.

  • Alex Norris

    Hi! yep, Sony again disappointed us..(

  • xperiax10.awesome

    Dude lets just stop arguing about MANUAL mode, if I need to do so many things I always have my DSLR, ppl like to open camera n click thats it!! Auto mode needs drastic improvement.

  • Faisal Armand

    Hi there too, alex!

  • Alex Norris

    How are you!?)

  • roeshak

    I don’t deny the auto mode doesn’t need dramatic improvement. It’s wrong however to say the note 4 and iPhone 6 have better cameras. For the noob, yes but as far as capability the xperia cameras are only matched and surpassed by the Nokia offerings.
    It performs poorly in with auto settings isn’t the same as saying the camera is crap. It isn’t, the hardware is right up there with the lumia range.
    I’m someone who uses manual controls and would always do so even if the auto mode was decent because I want to get the best from the camera. I could never touch an iPhone precisely because it lacks manual controls.
    I wonder why you find it OK to adjust settings manually on your DSLR but find it an unbearable imposition to do so with you smartphone!
    Let’s stick to facts and stop throwing around idiotic assertions like the iPhone and note 4 have better cameras. They don’t. I’d always get better results from the xperia any day of the week because it’s hardware is more capable. Period!
    For the point and shoot crowd, I guess look elsewhere is the only advice I can give. Well until Sony steps up its game in that regard anyway.

  • Faisal Armand

    Well.. I’m okay. I’m planning to go to exotic locations and take good shots by christmas, though

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  • lovebmw

    Excuse the non-believers, how many times did sony advertise advancement in sensors yet it is always crappiest camera between all the competitors?…. and what is MIND boggeling is that compettetors that barrowed the sensor managed to do an amazing job… YET SONY insists on making the phone a crazy camera capable phone. i don’t get how they are not realising this is deception.

  • Alex Norris

    Excellent :) We both like shoot )and I wish you bro make many cool pictures! By the way, I was in the shop equipment and tested your Z2 camera with my 808 Pureview)

  • Faisal Armand

    The results are predictable, Z2 lost right?

  • Xperia z2

    a smartphone camera should just be only point and shoot. Raw is only when you need to do manual editing for post processing which normal users don’t need or have to do!!!

  • Rene Pedroso
  • Faisal Armand

    Which is exactly the point, I am not a normal cameraphone users. I am somewhat of a smartphone cameraphone enthusiast

  • Kaostheory

    Do you have proof of the headset. I have rarely seen it mentioned in reviews never mind a test. I was wavering on the Z3 but will probably wait for my carrier upgrade and get the Z4.

  • Alex Norris

    I will show you camera samples. At my 808 I all zeroed, i give a chance for Z2 on 808 sharpness to 0, Saturation 0, exposure 0 Z2 image weight – 3.2mb nokia 808 only 1.8mb

  • Kaostheory

    If it shoots in raw you can use whatever post processing you want.

  • Alex Norris
  • Faisal Armand

    The reasons why the NC headset is rarely mentioned on a review is because those paid reviewers try to make sony look bad. I suggest you should look up to more fair reviewers such as pocketnow or android authority.

    Michael fisher from pocketnow said.. The NC headset on Z2 is better than the headset of HTC One M8 Harman Kardonn edition

    Joshua from android authority is very impressed with the headset

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  • it works like this in videos, not in pictures!

  • Alex Norris

    I had high hopes for the new curved sensor but …. ( I thought that sensor will be on future Z4 ..http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2806096/sad-dean-o.gif

  • Kaostheory

    Just use Google camera. Simple

  • Fan of Xperia device

    I think Sony isn’t utilizing (or can’t utilize) their sensor’s full capabilities. Their post processing is better suitable for low and night shots ( aggressive noise reduction and over exposed is better suited for this kind of situation) but applying same kind of post processing for daytime is not good. I think Z3 post processing is better than Z1/Z2 and overall Z3 camera is good but not great.

    Deliberate and well-planned shots can make Z3/Z2/Z1 camera sing but it’s not good for taking quick snapshots, which is really what the majority of smartphone shooters actually care about.

    At first i was angry with Sony for their so called “washed” out color in their pic but later i realize Sony’s smartphone (Z3) camera produce the most realistic scene than any other phone although the pic is slightly overexposed (in the pic just look at some white colored object like white flower, vessel etc you’ll definitely understand that Sony has this overexposed tendencies).

    The second problem is their over aggressive noise reduction. Let’s look at the Z3 Dxomark score. Z3 score the highest in noise department (84), best in the top 6 smartphone thanks to their aggressive NR but it comes at a price. Z3 score the lowest in texture and artifacts department ( 75 and 72 respectively which is quite really low for a smartphone which is ranked 3rd). Smartphone sensor is quite small so camera software algorithms have to be super in order to bring out the best in the sensor. It’s all about finding the “right balance” in software and Z3 (Sony’s smartphone) is excellent in one aspect but quite bad in other aspects.

    Overall, I think Sony should tone down their NR and overexposed issues and bring their new UI for their camera, their camera UI is suitable for feature phone not for touch screen phone. No wonder iphone is regard as the best smartphone in the world. iphone can consistently take great pic in various situation. You can find great balance in all department in iphone camera pic (it not best in one department but it is great in all department). Sony should too concentrate on being great in all department and for that In my opinion they need to fix those three things i mentioned above.

  • Faisal Armand

    As I predicted, Z2 lost. Even if you set the sharpness, etc on 808 to minus value, it would still win against Z2.

    I like 808’s image processing, it has no NR no and excessive sharpening, making images very clean of unwanted defects.

    Also what do you think about my new Z2 shots, have you seen them, btw?

    Precisely in the center of my hometown, Jakarta

    https://flic.kr/p/prCveT

    Industrial Location at w
    West Java:

    https://flic.kr/p/pJw933

    https://flic.kr/p/pLGaqs

    https://flic.kr/p/pu8oS6

  • Kaostheory

    We all know superior auto is crap so just use Google camera it’s not that difficult. Really. That being said people have had success with Google camera, myself included, but would like to see a comparison.

  • Abdul Ghani

    the problems xperia camera has nexus 6 software solves in lollipop if sony uses the algorithms of nexus 6 there maybe a chance 20 mp can be fully utilize

  • RealityCheck2014

    I just want a good ZOOM but not if it makes the phone look ugly like other phones out there :(

  • Kaostheory

    I almost bought the Bose Quietcomfort, but when the Z2 was released I decided to wait. As for the camera, any comparisons using Google camera vs superior?

  • Alex Norris

    Very good, especially the first shot is great! http://gifhouse.ru/uploads/posts/2013-01/1357974461_13577138839517.gif

  • Mokhtar Mouhib

    No curved sensor ? Hmmmm, so plz sony make a fenomenal camera

  • Kaostheory

    Just a blurb and not even mentioned in the pros column.

  • Faisal Armand

    Sony CAN utilize their best in their Z series smartphone but they wouldn’t because it will kill the point & shoot and smart lenses sales.

    You see, I’ve taken over 2000 photos with my Z2, I know very well about the camera

    In terms of colours, yes sony is the one of the most accurate one in that aspect but the white balance is slightly jumpy and there is colour cast issues.

    When I’m shooting in broad daylight, I’ve some sort of trouble adjusting the frame because the overexposure problems. Turning on HDR will drop the contrast of the images

    As for the dxo scoring.. Hmm..

    You see the Z2 on 4.4.4 firmware has exactly the same camera algorithms as Xperia Z3. So comparing the camera of Z2 on 4.4.4 vs Z2 pre 4.4.4 is the same as comparing the Z3 vs Z2

    The texture score of Z2 is 83, while Z3 is only 75. That’s weird because when I see Z3 outdoor camera samples and compare it against Z2, Z3 has loads more detail, as evidenced in my test shot. In indoors and night, both are similar in terms of detail, but the grain levels of Z3 is noticeably lower and dxo gives both Z3 & Z2 a noise score of 84. So I was like ??????

    As for the artifacts, I agree with the scoring. Z3 scores 72 and Z2 68. Z2’s artifacts are rough looking and splaterred randomly everywhere. On Z3, the artifacts are still there but it is somewhat smoother in appearance.

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1425/766/original.jpg

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/1425/675/original.jpg

    If sony has the same ISO & shutter speed selection as iphone 6 in auto mode, then sony would have a great camera.

  • Jack

    So we went from a curved sensor to give unreal photo depth, to an active pixel sensor that was supposed to get amazing overall performance in all lighting situations, and now not back to the original boring sensor that’s been in all the other Xperias. No real improvement and will be beaten out by every other manufacturer that can actually make camera algos…

  • Faisal Armand

    Thanks for the praise :)

    And me too, are sad about the curved 1/1.5″ 22MP sensor will be dropped on Z4 and sony will probably used the same old 1/2.3 20MP sensor.

    I was hoping that Xperia camera would one day outperform lumia 1020 as a cameraphone, and Z4 might be the one to do the job with this curved sensor but they dropped it instead..

    SONY, YOU SON OF A BITCH!! WHY??! TELL ME WHY???!!

  • Fan of Xperia device

    I’m not gonna hold my breath. Each time i thought they will fix their software issues this time, i was wrong/disappointed . And seeing their high end camera have the same issue like their smartphone i wonder if they ever gonna change their post processing algorithms. Z4 camera going to be better than Z3/Z2 that’s for sure but i’m going ahead and gonna say this “Z4’s camera will be a better only because of it’s superior hardware”. No one going to be happier than me if Sony improve their post processing but i don’t want to feel disappointed again, i bet you know that feeling disappointed really hurts. So my advice to you is don’t expect radical change in pic quality in Z4. Have a nice day.

  • Faisal Armand

    I used google cam for panoramas only.

    I’ve once compared google cam against stock xperia cam and pics from google cam is beyond help, so blurry and soft on details :(

  • Faisal Armand

    So many of my friends that listened to the music using sony’s NC headset were having eargasms. Most of my friends are iphone users.

    They said this.

    “It feels like the music is directly in my brain!”

  • Kaostheory

    I’ve found it better than superior plus you can shoot at 21mp. Not better than manual but good for the masses that don’t want to fiddle.

  • Kaostheory

    Damn might not be able to wait and pull the trigger on a tablet. Want to see the 2 and 3 side by side.

  • l

    Improvement is coming with Android L

  • F

    “smartphone cameraphone enthusiast” – So basically a normal user LMAO.

  • wared

    That’s it, if the z4 comes with this camera, I will not be a Sony fan any more.

  • Shameny

    So wonder that Nokia can make the camera phone better than Sony

    What happen if Nokia jump to android world in soon…

  • Alex Norris

    Now, Nokia is dead, last news say, that Nokia will never return on mobile arena .(

  • azzido

    OMG, if Sony will not give us new curved camera and will provide us with even SMALLER sensor then we have now = I am going to omit Z4 and will rather wait for Z5 or just switch to other brand, sad but true… And Arc or any new design is needed. No matter how good is current design, it is too long sticking with the same and simply boring.

  • Abdul Ghani

    i have no high hopes but sonys eal camera are really good i own qx10 and its pictures are really amazing so less noise so much details in every shot ………. in dark areas no flash it gives full detailed bright picture here are the smaples

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/128843988@N08/sets/72157648650627179/

  • asdasd

    lol the note 4 uses 1/2.6 IMX240 with 1.2um pixels (it is a smaller sensor, but lower resolution, 16mp instead of 21) with OIS already. sony will go for extra large focal range lens (25mm like) against the 31mm in the competitors and this will only make things worse. smaller pixels, bigger fov (more information to be described by the sensor), older sensor and no OIS. congratulations sony, this is how you fuck it up. now the z4 will have the same design, and i doubt it will come with s810, it will use s805 probably. if so, what a epic fail.

  • Matt

    Well idk about you but I’m eyeing xperia for their excellent battery live. But even then I can’t deny that xperia’s superior auto isn’t in anyway superior in comparison to other flagship.

    If I can further commentate on xperia camera, it’s a bad idea to put such an high resolution on such a small sensor on the first place, it makes the sensor struggle to fight noise. Well again maybe the reason behind this is no other than marketing. It feels kinda stupid to have more pixel than canon apsc sensored camera (which FYI “only” have 18 megapixel).

    Instead of debating about ois there is a bigger problem, the continuous focusing on z3 in very is really crap, it seeks focus really often and simply cant track subject who is clearly in front of the camera. . Oh the disappointment.

    But still I’m waiting for the z4 and most likely will upgrade to that

  • azzido

    Sony not only HAVE TO deliver curved lens in Z4 but also:

    – Xenon flash with LED light for flashlight
    – optical zoom
    – general Cyber-Shot outstanding quality that will leave competitors years behind

    The other things that are necessary are:
    – new DESIGN (or combined with Arc style)
    – Mega BASS
    – Battery life
    – neo display
    – at least 32 gigs of internal storage
    – Snap 810 clocked at 3GHz (first phone in the world as Shamesung will deliver it for sure) and 4 gigs of RAM
    – new UI + please redesign weather widget as it is getting little old.
    – please hire more QAs for testing = less bugs in software / hardware.
    – colors of the phones: pink (as in Z2), FERRARI red, yellow/green as in Z1 compact, but not the one, very muted known from Z3 (including horrible mint!) …

    I would love FERRARI red one :) both back and front hehe :)

    In my opinion Z2/3 pics are not as bad, but the biggest problem is it is not better than competition and still not better than quite old Nokias. And the competition will not stay in the same place next year.

    From the rumours what I like is the fact stereo speakers and notification LED are again going to look like Z2 which is better than Z3. The only problem in Z2 is microphone nfor calling placement = on the bottom = the reason why many people can’t hear me properly.

    The design? It is not bad in Z series, it’s very good, just getting boring as it is too long with the same already.

    Give us some positive news on the items mentioned above Sony and you will get our applause.

  • InspectorGadget80

    May I remind u that Iphone 6 using the SONY EXMOR technology . So does the NOTE IV it’s how you take a picture. i’ve taken lots of great pictures from MY Z1

  • Steven Khoo Skkl

    Never trust reviews for camera opinions… They are most either faked or doctored to make the Xperia look worse

  • Steven Khoo Skkl

    Well.. We’ll have to wait and see what Sony will end up using..

  • Me

    Doesn’t seem like a fair comparison… 3.2MP HDR video compared to a 21MP HDR image? Well that would explain the extra clarity…

  • Nathan

    Yes ip6 and note4 using Sony sensor but they can do much better than Sony expecially the automode that sony has died like a loser #lameperia #shameonsony

  • r41nier

    1/2.4 is already a big sensor for smartphones. I don’t want the 1/1.5″ sensor it will just make the phone too thick. 1/2.4″ is just ok. Just buy the Pureview 808 or Lumia 1020.

  • r41nier

    Dropped? I don’t think Sony even thought of putting such a big sensor on a thin smartphone like the z series. Even if it’s a curved sensor it will still make the phone too thick. It’s not the sensor size that needs to improve. It’s the image processing (software), the low light performance (hardware) and also dynamic range (hardware).

  • King PureView

    Sony will never made their phones better than Nokia in camera because Sony is just a chicken and they afraid that smartphone will ruin their own Cyber-shot and alpha NEX line

    Dying slowly everday Sony… Lucky with that.

  • Sachin Gautam

    You are right at your point but the thing is we just cant do anything, sit back and watch, else we can post something in the sony’s dev site.

  • Dickson

    xperia z4 pixel density 528ppi, MHL 4.0, Bluetooth 4.2 , USB 3.5, and pen stylus for xperia

  • Dickson

    fast auto focus, Super HDR, fast camera

  • Impressive!!

    The first and last shot… WOW!

    How’d you managed to get the shutter speed to go that low? I’m using a Z3 and even in the lowest lighting conditions, i could never get it to go bellow 1/4sec…

    Either that or those tail lights are actually from race cars =O

  • Panda

    Nokia had partnered with Carl Zeiss and that alone is a strong point on pureview cameras till date. G lens mobile is good… i think.. but so far, no match for what Carl Zeiss has to offer.

  • Faisal Armand

    I’m using night scene from manual SCN mode to enable low ISO & slow shutter speed. Also, I bet almost no people know about this but.. The manual night scene mode has interesting mechanism, it has a some sort of handshake & tripod detection. Which means, the shakier your hands are, the camera will select higher ISO and faster shutter speed. The more stable your hands are, the camera will select lower ISO (50-250) and slower shutter speed (0.5-0.8s). The best is to put your phone in a tripod to avoid any blur.

    Using superior auto is no use. It says “night scene” on the viewfinder but actually does nothing for the live scene! Everytime I select auto, it chooses ISO 800-2500 and 1/16-1/32s

  • King PureView

    NOOOO!!! Nokia just released Nokia N1 their first android tablet

  • robertkoa

    How much smaller is this new sensor compared to Z3 ?

    Inches of diameter please.

    Note 4 uses a Sony Sensor-excellent.

    Is the new Sensor smaller than Note 4 ?

    Also was hoping that Sony would use larger pixel size to reduce noise , though,am amateur…lol.

  • robertkoa

    IF they need better software and Android L opens Camera for Developers-

    How about a Kick Start Campaign for Serious Developers to do a $ 20 paid App that really upgrades Camera ?

    A few thousand Users at $20 ?

    Could it work Xperia Camera Max ?

  • robertkoa

    What if is slightly better than Note 4 hardware AND software ?

    Will you buy it then ?

    Will Sony do this ? So far they have not noticed me ….lol .

  • Faisal Armand

    I am a Z2 owner and If I am to upgrade to Z4, the camera will have to be a MAJOR improvement because:

    – I can settle with full HD, especially the full HD quality of Z2

    – Snapdragon 801 with 3GB RAM is still good enough for use. Heck, even a 2 year old Xperia Z with Snapdragon S4 Pro is still very smooth

    – Z2’s battery life is outstanding enough

    – If sony will eventually use this new 1/2.4″ sensor, and unexpectedly come with a better software, the lollipop upgrade is on the verge of coming to Z2 and RAW is there to fix the image quality.

  • Impressive!!

    Interesting.. Didn’t know about the tripod thingie. I have tried night scene with 100 ISO but could not get the shutter speed to go any slower. Pretty sure I held it steady with both hands. Will try again tonight.

  • Faisal Armand

    Dude, I said this before on previous forum but hell, you said it better than I was.

    The best camera? Is the one that’s with us all the time

    The secret behind it? The hands who operate it.

    My dad has Canon 650D DSLR, and I am free to use it but I choose not to. Why? because it’s heavy and unpractical

    The manual mode on xperia camera is second only to nokia pro camera. HTC M8 has manual controls as good as pro camera but that crap ultrapixel is a huge downer, the processing is quite fu*ked up, and the lens has ALL the qualities of a bad lens (moire, purple fringing, chromatic abberations).

    And if you searched extensively on the net, per ISO performance of Xperia Z2 & Z3 outperforms note 4, S5, LG G3, meizu mx4, and all other android phones

    There IS a manual control on samsung and LG cameras but they aren’t even good (i’ve had experiences with them). Take samsung for example, in indoor shot if I lower the ISO to 100, the camera didn’t drop the shutter speed so I ended up with black wallpapers -___-, xperia cameras on the other hand, could still shot images with ISO 50 and still produced properly exposed images with minimal noise and plenty of detail.

    Don’t get me even started with LG cameras. There ain’t even ISO settings, as it relies on OIS too much.

    The conclusion is.. If I treat all other android cameras the same way I treat xperia camera, I will not have the results that I want.

  • roeshak

    It’s the simple fact. With manual controls ie controlling the hardware yourself, the xperias beat most other offerings on the market. Only Nokia rivals and surpasses in some respects. That’s the way it was yesterday, that’s the way it is today and that’s the way it’ll be tomorrow!

  • Sachin Gautam

    Might be, but why involve money into this, we are already paying a huge amount for the device and again for a dev, a big no from my side

  • Arup

    I have a Z2 and 1020 Lumia. Except for few shots the Z2 with latest update matches the 1020 neck to neck. I updated my 808 to 1020 for better low light and have not been disappointed. In low light the OIS makes it superior to Z2 but in daylight the dynamic range of SONY sensor is better and even in resolution tests there isn’t much difference. My benchmark is 45MP Sigma DP3 and DP1 Merrill so yes I have the right perspective. Also the Nokia 1020 is not as sturdy as the Z2.

  • Faisal Armand

    I like it, with real cameras as a reference. Pretty good comprehension there, bro.

    IMO Z2 & Z3 are the only cameraphones that perform very good in low light with small 1.12um pixel size and without OIS.

    The other cameraphones that perform good in low light have either big pixel size & OIS. Am I correct?

    – iphone 6? Big 1.5um pixel size
    – iphone 6+? Big pixel size + OIS
    – Note 4? OIS
    – Nexus 6? OIS
    – LG G3? OIS
    – Lumias? OIS
    – Xperia Z2 & Z3? Have neither but do very good

  • Arup

    You are correct and lets see, LG uses a SONY sensor, one from their older Z series. For low light the best camera around today is SONY’s amazing A7R which I own as well. Sadly with one lens as both the body and lenses are too pricey for me. SONY makes sensors for Xiaomi as well and many others. The iPhone 4 used SONY sensors. SONY is also the sensor in the 38MP Nikon D800 series and Toshiba sensors which are in many NIKON cameras are also made by SONY as they have bought out Toshiba sensor division. So yes if Z4 adds OIS and with 12800 ISO rating, we have a fair game with Nokia. Also bear in mind, in terms of autofocus speed, neither my 808 nor my 1020 matches SONY Z2 or LG G3. Its something I live with as resolution returns are quite good.

  • Arup

    http://image-sensors-world.blogspot.co.il/2012/07/chipworks-founds-toshiba-41mp-sensor.html The sensor inside is Toshiba which is now owned by SONY so it makes it a SONY ;)

  • Arup
  • Faisal Armand

    No Sony = The death of smartphone & camera imaging world

    You own Sony A7R? Good God in heaven, that costs like $3000 in my country. It is the best overall full frame DSLR alongside Nikon D810.

    But for the best low light in DSLR environment, you gotta give the award to Sony A7S. Full frame sensor + only 12MP = humongous pixel size

  • Rickrau5

    Lol note 4 uses a Sony sensor as do many other flagships what a epic fail.

  • robertkoa

    WILL Android L actually improve or simplify Camera on Z1, 2,3 ?

  • Faisal Armand

    Maybe both, android L has RAW support and full manual controls. There is no reason why sony shouldn’t improve the camera

  • Injustice

    What is this you two? Both Alex Norris and Faisal Armand go get a room you two! Sheesh!

  • John D. Court

    Haha…WHAT? No way, my friend. I own both Z3 and Note 4 and i can tell you that DIS in Z3 is CRAP compared to OIS in Note 4. Also the picture quality itself much much better in terms of details, post processing and colors. Sony has jpeg compression rate of crappy 85% compared to good 96% of Samsung. Sony messed it up with their incompetent software….

  • John D. Court

    “Lol” but Note 4 uses newer and better Sony sensor…prick.

  • favormak

    not sure that we found it on the xperia z4 if it will be available in April !!! short nothing new under the sun except the curved sensor!
    Other manufacturers take the same sensor and make better pictures than the Xperia, may be in the next galaxy s6. Going to know why.

  • ashouhdy

    the samsung galaxy s6 uses the sony sensor imx240 , so will sony uses the outdated imx230 in its Z4 ????!

  • robertkoa

    Wait they probably will use IMX 230 its on a new Motorola highly rated by DXOMark …like #2 .

  • Amir

    imx230 is newer and superior.

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