Sony using Snapdragon 810 v2.1 for the Xperia Z3+ and Z4 tablet? Heat issues still prevalent

by XB on 8th June 2015

in Problems, Videos, Xperia Z4 and Z3+ series


Xperia Z3+ Heat IssuesThere has been much chatter over the supposed heat issues that surround the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 chipset. We have already talked about the throttling that takes place within the chipset, lowering the processor speeds to handle the heat dissipation. Qualcomm produced a v2.1 revision of the Snapdragon 810 chipset according to reports with improved thermal management and it looks like Sony is using this latest version in its Xperia Z3+ and Xperia Z4 Tablet.

The kernel source code for the latest software (version 28.0.A.4.8) for these devices was published by Sony. Within the code there are references to “msm8994-v2.1”, where MSM8994 is the model number for the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810. This appears within the source code for both the Xperia Z3+ and Xperia Z4 Tablet, suggesting Sony is using the revised 810 chipset for both devices.

To get an idea what Sony is facing in terms of heat issues, check out the video below from our friends at Btekt. The video demos some of the camera features from the Xperia Z3+ and frequently the phone produces warning messages that the camera may close due to high temperatures. The phone that Btekt is testing is a prototype running pre-release firmware, so fingers-crossed these issues won’t occur so frequently in the final retail release.

Xperia Z3+ Heat Issues

Xperia Z3+ Heat Issues_2

Via AndroPlus.

  • Nah

  • dinesh

    BUT IT’S BETTER THAN HTC ONE M9

  • lovebmw

    i hope that fans will blame it on the processor and not sony

  • dragonsneeze

    Like I said before, Sony waited for a reason. Still I’m curious to find out if all that wait was worth it.

  • lovebmw

    what kills me is the “Whats New” application on the screen, we all agree that the SONY lay out is getting old, but for the love of GOD change the pictures in the “Whats new” application just to see some difference…. this is ironic, the application should be about new things yet it’s old….. MIND PUZZLE.

  • Shaik Farooq

    That’s Why folks…Keep Z2 Calm and wait for Z5 ..

  • Niels d. G.

    Who needs an 8-core in a phone anyway?!

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    With the new design :D

  • ramuk

    “Prototype running pre-release firmware” – That’s the important part but hopefully the can do it. Then again its waterproof so…….. I don’t care about benchmark score but I hope overheating won’t affect the real world performance like gaming, camera shoot etc. Show us your engineering prowess Sony.

  • gamer324

    Honestly, if z3+ overheats with the v2 s810, then Sony should really reconsider its heat dissipation technique. Xiaomi was able to properly overcome overheating issues in the Mi Note Pro, and that thing scores over 60000 in Antutu. So it’s not like it’s throttled to stay cool either.

  • Rogue

    This has nothing to do with the dragon it’s because of the obsession to make devices super thin and the glass that the camera module is sandwiched between which doesn’t dissipate heat fast enough. This has been happening since the Z1 with Sony and the camera tech they introduced, almost 2 years later and the problem still exists, if you ask me it’s poor technical support and design that the 4th generation is suffering from a problem that started with the 1st. Don’t get me wrong the omnibalance design looks nice but heating issues have been it’s downfall since the original Z.

  • Vasilis K.

    Well, my Z1 Compact has never ever popped such a message or stopped any app due to overheating, no matter how much I tortured it! I say it HAS to to do with the 810!

  • shhh

    Even the M8 is better than the M9.

  • zymo

    but same old SD810 like new rumors suggest. Wait for Z6 or Z7…

  • Snorky112

    well actually these message were also popping in Z1, Z1 compact and Z2 prototypes, and never happened after release

  • Svnjay

    Me.

  • Svnjay

    Just because Xiaomi says so doesn’t mean that they successfully did it.

  • Niels d. G.

    Why, honestly?

  • Aiden Pearce

    Actually…. Z2 and z3 displays those messages only in case of longer 4k recordings and also if device is used in hot environment only in case of camera app.i have not seen the device warning in normal usage.
    So that might not be case with retail unit.

  • Svnjay
  • Aiden Pearce

    Ha ha ha ha..xiaomi!!!! Good one
    But it doesn’t come anywhere near Z series not even original Xperia Z
    Benchmark never work in real life usage my friend!!

  • Niels d. G.

    And what advanced industrial tasks do you do with your phone, that you would actually notice the improved performance, except for running benchmarks and fapping to numbers? During normal use, the 8 cores get underclocked anyway and you may just as well encounter an occasional stutter.

  • Aiden Pearce

    Increasing cores doesn’t make any sense in mobiles specially 8 and 10 cores.. This all started with mediatek..who has nothing to do except adding 2 cores every 6 months in a soc..n still lacks support and development.. And other oems doesn’t have a choice other than joining the race.
    No offence to oems

  • Svnjay

    The Snapdragon 810 doesn’t have a true 8core processor. It’s big.Little which is basically two sets of quad cores. All 8 cores are not equal like on desktop or mediatek. Nonetheless, you get improvements with operations with operations where most or all cores are used.

  • Crusher_Sprite

    Take a visit to MIUI forum, there are alot of complains about heating issue.

  • (C):stem

    *loves his Xperia Z3 compact even more*

  • Sadman Khan

    BEST SONY PHONE EVER.

  • hansip

    Easy. Just dunk it into water and problem is solved. ;) with capless usb that’s even less concern. Just dunk into water and shoot with its improved screen sensor (no need for touch block anymore). I mean yeah for a stop gap before z5 this phone is worth the dollar i think.

  • Vuyo Ncube

    Except the HTC One M9 is significantly thicker, covered in metal and still suffered horrid thermal throttling (HTC sent an upate to downclock the CPU cores shortly after release). Xiaomi bought thermal patents to improve dissipation for its Mi Note Pro; implying that the heat issues are hardware related (Qualcomm had a very long time to fix its kernel and still no positive results). Fortunately, there are rumours floating around that the SD820 might be ready just before 2016 with a better process node and better CPU cores.

  • jakobd.

    On Z3 + is nothing new, it is even worse than the Z3 .With the competitors it can also keep up with anyone anymore, camera significantly worse than S6 or G4 or I6, display poor …. Sony will probably purposely no more smartphones sell, or what the + is intended for the development of the Z3 going profit back in the black …?

  • Joe Black

    Google the difference between ARMv7 and ARMv8.
    Provided you know how to read, it should answer your question.

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  • Ryan Kumar-jassi

    That’s what I did

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  • mohsen

    how to trust that video????!!!!
    SONY have more enemy

  • RockStar2005

    Or Z3!

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  • Raj Singh

    This botched release represents real and serious harms for the Qualcomm brand.

  • rzero21

    well, time to avoid the Z3+ and go for the Z3 when my Z1 breaks or fails…that will probably happen in 5 years…and when the time comes maybe we will have available a Z6…or Sony Mobile will be bankrupt…who knows.

  • Niels d. G.

    Oh I have no idea how to read or write, would you be so kind to draw pictures explaining what you’re trying to say?

  • Akand

    Have you ever been at any haunted place? Haunted places are horrible to them only who know this place is haunted. Whatever happens there, they will feel horror because of their mind. But you no nothing about the place, you will never feel anything horror there.
    I think SD810 is rumoured as more haunted than it actually is. People care too much about heat on a SD810 equipped device that they feel hot even if it is on 38-39’C. This is how SD810 heating issue spreads and the equipped devices flop even before they get released.

  • Itsarapong Intoum

    Hmm should I wait for next flagship instead ?

  • Timel

    Bullshit

    Z5 will come with SD820

  • Timel

    Sony will be bankrup definitely if their Z5 still has a shitty camera

  • Timel

    A lot! Actually

  • Timel

    I don’t think Sony has an engineering skill, especially computer engineering. Sony can’t even design their own chipset.

  • Michael Hernandez

    Agree.

  • Billy de Fretes

    if sony mobile then you might be right… but there’s lot of sony division including pictures, music, television … sony mobile not represent full sony corp

  • gamer324

    Yes the mi note pro overheats, but thus far it is usually due to some hardware malfunction rather than just because it uses an s810. Because in most cases Xiaomi has replaced said overheating devices and the users are satisfied with the replacement. It doesn’t categorically overheat unlike the G Flex 2 and Htc One m9. Some units do, others don’t (which is an improvement from the other s810 devices).
    But that is going off-track, my original point still stands though, the Z series are the most beautiful phones I’ve ever had, but we can’t deny that all Z phones have had some issue with heat; the Z suffered from its rear glass panel coming loose from a corner because of burned out adhesive, the Z1,Z2 and z3 all overheat during camera operations, while during 4k recording it’s understandable, during AR and other ‘fun’ functions the overheating makes no sense. It is true that in most cases this can be solved by a software update, but that has its repercussions (the lowered refresh rate for the camera UI from 4.4.2 to 4.4.4). Further, software updates only help to alleviate the situation , not solve it. So long as Sony keeps using Bleeding edge hardware, it will have to face overheating. The only long term solution I believe is if Sony thoroughly and completely revamps it’s heat dissipation system inside the xperias. No doubt the s820 will tun cooler, but you can be sure that under enough heavy load, it will get toasty just like the s3, s4 , s800 and s805. It is upto Sony to tackle this issue, and seeing as how they genuinely care about the User experience (as is evident from all the subtle yet impactful improvements in the z3+) I believe this should be next on Sony Mobile’s to-do list.

  • ‘Pre-release firmware’

    Hopefully they can iron the issues out. Then claim the Z3+ with Snapdragon 810 to be waterproof AND fireproof.

  • gamer324

    I hope so too. It should be note however that despite it being a sealed phone, conduction based dissipation techniques can and will do wonders. The Z tablets are even slimmer and waterproof yet none so far have suffered from any overheating issue (any widespread issue anyway), that’s partly due to their increased surface area, but no doubt Sony also pays extra care to make sure the heat is dissipated effectively in such a tight space. So make no mistakes, Sony is capable, it’s just if it is on their agenda for the z3+ (I hope it is)

  • gamer324

    Mediatek specifically uses the little cores in its SoCs, and it does work. They are really high value in the segments that they target which goes upto upper midrange. It’s just their sinister attitude towards kernel sources. Which they have only released for the mt6582 (android one chipset) so far.
    For a high performance SoC though, single core performance should be increased rather than to rely on big.LITTLE. I really do hope that the s820 is a quad core. Octacores under heavy usage are just such a big battery drain it’s not even justifiable.

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  • vigneshprince

    yep! that’s why I am keeping my Z2.

  • ZeRo+

    No, the first devices on SD820, will appear at the end of year. So again we will see this crappy SD810 on Z5

  • ZeRo+

    Even Z3 has better post processing than new Z3+ http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=6539&idPhone2=6878&idPhone3=6849

    U will see, future Z5 will have the same problems..

  • Luis Ramirez

    Photoshopped huh xD

  • Igy Tech

    Put it in the water for cooling XD

  • Igy Tech

    Sony’s fault is to use S810. If they wanted to out Z3+ then they needed to use some other chipset.
    You can’t spread S810 heat properly in such thin device.

  • Lasantha

    never do that,..learned hard way.. it sucks in water my z1 compact dead now.

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  • Chan Kin Cheung

    the “change face” functionality looks like 120% stupidity to me LOL

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  • Timel

    Or I have to wait until Z6 (-_-)
    Nooooooooooo!

  • zymo

    And may I ask you omniscient “Doctor Know-all” how do you know to call that rumor bullshit? Do you have any other reliable insider info? First SD820 devices are expected around X-Mas and CES 2016 time. As long as Sony doesn’t decide to postpone release to 2016 they will have to deal with the SD810.

  • Gibbs

    Just put it in water!

  • mibas66

    Flag and ignore

  • Timel

    Too bad, Sony can’t even design their own chipset, today Sony’s life must depend on Qualcomnn Snapdragon and Google Android

    I hope that Sony Mobile will not go bankrupt before Qualcomnn releases SD820

  • mibas66

    Ignore and flag

  • Igy Tech

    Too bad. Need water more than ever.

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  • Timel

    You shouldn’t expect too high
    Sony has less know-how about computer engineering, Sony can’t even design its own chipset like Apple and Samsung have always done.

  • Timel

    Wtf! LOL
    You’re so annoying

    Ignore and flag my a$$ Loser

  • Timel

    Yup
    I meant Sony Mobile Communications

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  • Rocking my z2 here too

  • I do blame Qualcomm, but then again – Sony wasn’t forced to make this phone. My Z3 and the Z2 before it all had (still have) heat related problems, which Sony fixed by simply adding more warnings and shutting down the camera. Other manufacturers just introduced even more throttling, so you might as well buy a phone with a slower SoC in the first place. The LG G Flex 2 and HTC One M9 being two such devices massively ruined by SD810.

    I see no reason to buy a Z3+ at all. I’ve said that before about the other Z devices and still got every one (Z, Z1, Z2, Z3, plus a Z1 Compact) but there’s NO WAY ON EARTH I’d touch this (for one, I’d probably burn my fingers!).

    Rumours suggest the next Z series has slipped and may now struggle to make a Q4 release, and the plan was always to unveil it at IFA. Now I hope the reason it’s slipping is because Sony is trying to get a new device with SD820 to market, and knowing about the delay felt forced to release the Z3+ in the mean time. But, personally, I’d have stuck with the current SoC and just changed some colours or done a limited edition release with some accessories/content thrown in.

    All the Z3+ can do is create negative reviews and impact on Sony’s reputation as a whole.

  • The Z3 did get better with recent updates, but if the solution is more throttling then you lose most of the advantages of the SoC and might as well get something with a lower spec and save money. You’d sort of hope that all that performance would be available to you when you wanted it, and not have to use it on a cold day or with the phone submerged in water!

  • It’s like looking at lists on the Windows Phone app store! I don’t know why manufacturers bother with their own lists/picks (well I do, they hope to make some money from clicks/downloads) as they rarely bother to maintain or curate the lists and they end up looking dumb.

  • Kurt Kobaine

    what are you smoking? they’re testing on preproduction software. stupid GSM arena

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  • Sachin Gautam

    Hahahahahahaha

  • Kan9al

    One of the best phones of all time.

  • Kan9al

    The PlayStation 3’s Cell Processor would like a word with you.

  • Timel

    IBM helped Sony, Sony didn’t do it alone.

  • Kan9al

    Hopefully SONY will let the QSD 810 run on 4x Cortex A53 cores, until it tops 1.5GHz.
    At this point, shift over the main processes to 2x Cortex A57 upto 2.0GHz.
    It will also shut down 2x A53 cores, or all four of them.

    Basically limiting the frequency of the A53 slightly (from 1.6GHz), and the A57 (from 2.2GHz), while shutting off 2x A57 cores permanently. Due to heat, and battery life issues.

    At the least, it should then be able to match the performance of the QSD 805 of the Note 4, and stay competitive against the Apple A8 and Exynos 7420.

  • Kan9al

    Well, ARM helped both Apple and Samsung to design their chips.
    What now?

  • Timel

    Too bad Sony can’t make their own chipset, nowadays Sony’s life must depend on Qualcomnn Snapdragon and Google Android

    Hopefully Sony Mobile will not go bankrupt before Qualcomnn releases SD820.

  • Timel

    That’s not the same case, you’re so stupid.

  • Kan9al

    Please elaborate on the differences for us all, and refrain from profanity.

  • Timel

    If Z5 comes with SD810 and the same shitty camera, Sony Mobile is going bankrupt definitely.

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  • Cole C

    First snapdragon 820 is quarter 4 this year. Supposedly on a meizu device asshat

  • Cole C

    Why do you say z5 will have 810 when it will be out before the z5

  • Kaarthikeyan Swaminathan

    Trolls cant elaborate on technicalities.

  • AndropaX

    Exploring code in sonyxperiadev/kernel :
    MSM8994+dtb-$(CONFIG_MACH_SONY_IVY) += msm8994-v1-kitakami_ivy_generic.dtb + msm8994-v2.0-kitakami_ivy_generic.dtb + msm8994-v2.1-kitakami_ivy_generic.dtb+dtb-$(CONFIG_MACH_SONY_IVY_DSDS) += msm8994-v1-kitakami_ivy_dsds.dtb + msm8994-v2.0-kitakami_ivy_dsds.dtb + msm8994-v2.1-kitakami_ivy_dsds.dtb+dtb-$(CONFIG_MACH_SONY_KARIN) += msm8994-v1-kitakami_karin_generic.dtb + msm8994-v2.0-kitakami_karin_generic.dtb + msm8994-v2.1-kitakami_karin_generic.dtb+dtb-$(CONFIG_MACH_SONY_KARIN_WINDY) += apq8094-v1-kitakami_karin_windy.dtb + apq8094-v2.0-kitakami_karin_windy.dtb + apq8094-v2.1-kitakami_karin_windy.dtb

    Sony using all snapdragon 810 versions ?

  • Geese Howard

    Dude, just let it slide. This Sour Apple and Samskunk fanboy is becoming our Xperia Lounge’s fav clown :D Besides, he already called himself ‘Bullshit!’ so just leave him be.

  • Ahmed Khan

    Z2..Hell Yeah.!!!

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    Oh wow really. Then maybe I’ll consider about the next nexus device as well if snapdragon doesn’t fix this issue.

  • Juan Carlos Alpizar Chinchilla

    As far as I know “Snapdragon 810 v2” is a gimmick, they announced heat improvements and performance increase, and some people leaked scores around 60k in AnTuTu, but as soon as they’re being released that’s all fake.

    Just check this out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTuP5NXYMSI it has the same scrores as the M9, and in the end of the benchmark it reaches the 40 Celsius, similar to the M9, actually I think the M9 it’s cooler at the end of the test.

  • ZeRo+

    Dude, GSMArena like PhoneArena, are 2 top sites for camera tests.And they are testing all pre-production software for all devices. I would say that the difference in the chambers between the pre-production model and serial, almost has no big difference ..
    Sony always shows bad laboratory samples http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=6539&idPhone2=6144&idPhone3=6761

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  • zymo

    Meizu is mainly using SoCs from Mediatek and on its MX line the ones from Samsung (Exynos). Rumor is that the upcoming MX5/Pro will be running on Exynos 7420.

    BTW rudely_Cole, sampling of 820 will start in the second half of 2015 (by Samsung facilities). Announcing a device doesn’t mean releasing it! Xiaomi is rumored to ANNOUNCE the first SD820 phone in November, NOT release it then.

    May God have mercy on your soul dude.

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  • Svnjay

    You dream of Sony going bankrupt don’t you?

  • Svnjay

    Apple relies on ARM.

  • Sadman Khan

    Have to agree to that too.

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  • Can fully subscribe this.

    Got a Z3C a couple of weeks ago and it’s by far the best phone I ever had (and I had quite a few premium devices from Samsung and HTC). My One M8 now sits on my desk, because the Z3C beats it in almost every area except maybe plain looks and sound quality.

    The battery life of the Z3C is phenomenal – never had a phone that lasts for up to 3 days of normal operation, performance is top, the design simple and beautiful (though a bit slippery :) ) and the compact form factor a big plus as I really hate that omnipresent phablet hype.

  • Naail Zahid

    HTC had the right idea with releasing a variant of their flagship with the Mediatek Helio X10 (and Pvrg6200 gpu instead of mali)… I kinda wish the Z3+ had that option too.
    I’m guessing the masses will hate on me for this comment :/

  • Naail Zahid

    And so is the M9+ which 90% of the world won’t get lol.

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  • Timel

    It’s not just a dream.
    It’s real.
    It’s happening actually.

    Sony Mobile is going bankrupt.

  • Timel

    Apple is one of the founders of ARM

  • Svnjay

    Samsung uses ARM architecture just like Samsung and Snapdragon.

    You’re quite misinformed.

    Also, Apple and Samsung are ghetto because they use Intel.

  • HereIsJohnny

    I live in a tropical country, where the summer can get to 28-30C, and those warning show up when using the camera in the yard (under the sun), pretty much the same as in Retail Z2 or Z3, especially if you taking more than couple shot, making it standby doesn’t even reduce the temperature, had to turn off the device, you can feel it by hand since the casing will get hot too.

    and it also happen to many people when using the 4k recording for more than couple minutes. so i don’t think it’s just the 810, i think its the Xperia & the 810 so its much worse in Z4

    beside i don’t even know the reason of why sony is using 810 since it’s already known to public how it have heat issue. which means either sony doesn’t test the device well enough or they just don’t care to screw the customer.

    i rather they just wait until the 820 come out which sampling begin in second half of this year, and which mean it will be ready for next year, and think of some other feature that they can insert it so it can handle the competition, since the xperia z update is never BIG enough to warrant an upgrade.

  • dapaintrain

    Z4 tablet should be large enough to disperse heat so the tablet should not have overheating issues I’d avoid the z3 plus though but the z3 best phone out

  • Jan ???

    I have the Xiaomi Mi Note Pro with the revisioned 810. Never had any heating issues!

  • Steve12321

    Unfortuntely the ARM design won’t allow for this. The whole group must be either on or off, and at the same clock.

    BTW, 4 A53 at 1.6GHz are much cooler than 2 or 4 A57 at 900MHz. You really should use those A53s as much as you can.

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  • Kan9al

    No, all wrong.
    The Cortex A53 cores are much more efficient than the Cortex A57 cores, but only upto a point. Once you start overclocking them too high, they will drain more battery but won’t actually perform that much quicker. Not to mention stability becomes a big issue. This is why the new Huawei P8 performs so so poorly, because it is using overclocked (2GHz ?) A53 cores, and eight of them. Stick to quad core and stick to 1.5GHz, that would be best.

    When moving from the A53 cores to the A57 cores, some devices leave the A53 cores running and locked at that threshold frequency. This is not ideal, you are demanding extra performance, so it would be heat wise and more efficient to turn some or all off, and dedicate to the A57. In short, you want to get the work done quick.

    And I do not know where you got your information about turning cores on/off because it is blatantly false. You have to have at least one core running all the time, and the rest can be managed by r00t-applications/Xposed, ROM Settings, or just automatically by the governor.

    It’s all in the software (and that’s the pitfall of the QSD 810).

  • Exotic|Matter

    Everyone is dependent on ARM you thick freak

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  • CyberAngel

    SD820 is 14nm -> less power drain

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  • JR69

    Sony’s been having trouble in all of their latest equipment trying to get 4K video from overheating. Their new cameras have been delayed due to this issue and now their phones are overheating. It may have to do with the 810 but I’m suspecting it has to do with how Sony’s camera software handles 4k.
    Since other manfuctures have sucess with this, we know it can be done. Sadly Sony just hasn’t figured it out yet.

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