Snapdragon 810 will power Sony’s H2 flagships says UAProf

by XB on 23rd July 2015

in Rumours, Xperia Z5 series


UAProf ThumbnailSony Mobile is very likely to use the Qualcomm Snapdragon 810 chipset in its H2 2015 flagships, just as we speculated yesterday. The UAProfs (user agent profile) for the Sony E66XX flagship model (Xperia Z5?) and Sony E58XX flagship compact (Xperia Z5 Compact?) appear to confirm this detail.

The UAProfs show that both the Sony E66XX (E6603, E6633, E6653, E6683) and Sony E58XX (E5803, E5823) will utilise the MSM8994 (Snapdragon 810) chipset. Other details confirmed include the fact that the Sony E66XX will have a 1080p display, whilst the Sony E58XX will sport a 720p display. Both phones are running Android 5.1.1 Lollipop. If this news turns out to be true regarding chipset, would this put you off Sony’s H2 models? Chime in with your thoughts below.

Sony E6603 UAProf confirms Snapdragon 810 (MSM8944) chipset and 1080p display

Sony E6603 UAProf

Sony E5803 UAProf confirms Snapdragon 810 (MSM8944) chipset and 720p display, hinting at ‘Compact’ model

Sony E5803 UAProf

Via Blog of Mobile (1 and 2).

  • osin17

    I hope there’s no heating issue

  • Zidhin Mohd

    Glass back and s810 is over heating

  • Zidhin Mohd

    If the design changes then it could be ok

  • DBS

    In that case, the deal is immediately broken. I’m not wasting money on overpriced frying pans.

    Sony must be REALLY stupid if they in insist in using a chip that has given nothing but problems to everyone. Which sort of explains why they keep going down the drain. As someone once said, stupidity is repeating the same error over and over again and expecting different results.

  • Augustine Kau

    Hais, kinda disappointed as a Sony fan :/ esp its most probably going to be my next phone

  • fried_egg

    The chip would not put me off IF the preview units get good reviews. If they are launched at the German event there is normally a gap between pre-order and delivery… and any one at the show able to use them will no doubt report on any issues they spotted running the camera etc. After all, the first thing any reviewer will do with all the recent issues with the Z3+ will be to see if they can get any future Sony phone to fail in their hands for the easy “story”

  • shhh
  • kabforks

    I am pretty disappointed that the Z5 compact will use a 720p screen… Bah.

  • Itsarapong Intoum

    ridiculous product ever.

  • En.Pasta.Tack

    Everybody has been waiting for the new ultimate smartphone from Sony, so of course it doesn’t matter that it comes with the 810.

  • Nawi

    810 rev2.1 like OnePlus Two or Z3+/Z4 810?

  • zymo

    Same design, same SD810 chipset, same display resolution as Z3+. Why even bother to release that Z5?! I thought H2 Flagship would bring something new to the table. If the specs are true then Z5 = DOA !

  • Z3+ has rev2.1 810. It just doesn’t work, becaude the phone itself is too thin and has a glass back.

  • DBS

    There’s no need for more at 4.6″. The only thing I would change on the Z5C would be the type of screen, from IPS to AMOLED for richer blacks.

  • Mandal Bayar

    720p is perfect for the Compact’s size.

    What’s the use of 1080p, 2K, 3K, 4K screens on phones anyway? Unless you’re holding your phone right in front of your face you can hardly tell the difference. What use is a high pixel density phone if you can’t even use it because most likely by 6PM you’ll be sitting with a dead battery.

    I applaud Sony’s effort at prioritizing battery life instead of following the herd. Pixel density on phones is just marketing to lure people who don’t know any better.

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    Nah it does matter bro. it mattered to me when Z3+ was released cause I wanted to get the Z3+ but I am skipping it and then again I am gonna skip this if it uses the same SoC.

  • At least it’s not 808, but I hope they aren’t expecting good sales with an 810, otherwise they’re in for a big disappointment. Although they might stand a chance if they introduce a new design.

  • Yasir Fawad

    Differentiation : 4Gb ram, full manual control for the camera.

  • steary_eye

    It will not put me off. I simply don’t care. Looks like I’ll be getting my new Xperia phone around next March and not not this coming September as I had anticipated. Qualcomm is indeed serious they can only ship out the SD820 by December.

  • Well they don’t have any other choice, do they? (Don’t say Snapdragon 808; it sucks too, just in a different way)
    The main priority is improving battery life which took a big hit with the Z3+. Perhaps increase it to 3100mAh again and do more optimization. Also, some intriguing new features such as a new and improved camera sensor, 4GB RAM, and a fingerprint scanner could balance out the chipset disadvantage, for me at least. In short, I won’t hate this phone if Snapdragon 810 is its only flaw.

  • Itsarapong Intoum

    I really don’t understand what are they thinking. Why did they continue to use overheat cpu on their product ?

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    I don’t think they’ll give us Full Manual control. They didn’t give us on Z3+ nor Other Z variants so it’s highly unlikely.

  • Sandro

    Just ignoring anything with SD810…

  • DBS

    Yes, they do: they don’t rush out the devices and replace it with the SD820. Or yes, the 808. Or even go with Samsung’s Exynos. Anything is better than the SD810 at this point.

    Yes, battery life is a priority. Which is why the SD810 must not be present. Overheating and throttling phones drain battery faster. The Z3+ took at hit in that area not only because of the smaller battery but also because of the shitty chip.

    Of course I expect a lot of improvements over the Z3. OIS on the camera, Qi charging, completely new camera tech (hardware and software) etc should be placed in as they’re long overdue. However, all of that will be absolutely pointless if every time you try to use things, the phone or the apps shut down because the processor is screwing up everything. Which is what’s happening with the Z3+. You try to use the camera and soon enough it’s shutting down to “cool down”. Well, that makes it pretty pointless to me. Gimmicks like a fingerprint scanner will only make those things worse.
    A LOT of the capabilities of a smartphone reside in the kind of chipset used. And the SD810 is the worst they could use now.

  • Chaturanaga Manchanayake

    LOL I really forget that Did Sony ever say that they’re gonna focus on one flagship device per year or they’re continuing the same disaster? Well Compact and some Ultra like device would be nice but Hey this is Sony you’re talking about. :D

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  • Srijan Chawla

    Bad idea Sony, you should noe better, it’s rather wise to delay your products until the SD 820 comes up then releasing another oven :P

  • JMonkeYJ

    Supposedly even most of the phones already out use 2.1. 1+ specifically stating it is a marketing gimmick.

  • JMonkeYJ

    I agree. I had a 4.6″ phone with a 720p screen and a 4.7″ phone with a 1080p screen and the difference was very noticeable to me. I thought they said their next compact was going to be 1080p. Very disappointing.

  • If they used the 808, I’d rather pick a Galaxy Note 4 or a Nexus 6, because even those year-old Snapdragon 805 devices are more powerful than anything with Snapdragon 808. And they’re far more efficient too – LG G4 has terrible battery life with 808. Samsung would never license an Exynos chipset to a big-name competior for anything close to a reasonable price. And if they decided to wait, their sales would have been destroyed by the iPhone 6s. So Snapdragon 810 might be the only logical choice after all – they just need to find a good cooling solution like OnePlus, and increase the battery size from the one found in Z3+.

  • JMonkeYJ

    Text (for example web pages) is noticeably clearer at 1080p even on a device that size held at a normal distance from your face. (To me)

  • spade
  • Ethan ‘blaze’ Parker

    Do you always wear that thing?

  • Boonerski

    I’m starting to get REALLY skeptical about Sony’s Mobile Division. So much so that I’m no longer trying to root for them by sticking to the same formula for nearly over 5 generations of flagships. This just makes me easier to go for the upcoming Note 5 instead. BTW, out of topic, my year-old Z1 now has a battery bump that caused the back panel to remove itself and battery life is just abysmal. Not to mention it’s overheating like crazy! Software performance is also a problem.

  • LOL….:D :D :D :D :D :D

  • Arda Akca

    Bye bye Sony. You shot yourself.

  • Raj Singh

    If it’s the 810, and not redesigned, I wouldn’t buy a device I’d be using for the next 2 or 3 years, especially since the 820 is almost here.
    Looking forward to seeing the Sony S70.

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  • nick

    Hahahah now that is a joke from sony which fell flat!!
    What can consumers do if they don’t learn from their mistakes(z3plus/z4).

  • Ethan ‘blaze’ Parker

    Good cooling solution like OnePlus? How do you know OnePlus won’t overheat? When its not even out yet.

  • Alzshaz

    up u go my friend! same here

  • I was just pointing it out as an example, I don’t know if it’s going to be as good as the hype they built around it suggests, but I know it’s not going to be good for the reputation the small company is trying to build if it turns out to be all just empty words.

  • BruceLeeRoyJenkins

    So… Same overheating chipset. I’m guessing same design. Same UI as the Z3+. And if history has shown us anything, same camera that hasn’t really been changed (no OIS)

    Basically same everything in a thinner device that burns like the surface of the sun?

  • Alzshaz

    This sucks! why not go with the new design language and new chip set! this is ripping ppl off
    In the hour of need what Sony should do
    New design language
    Snapdragon 820
    2K screen resolution
    New camera Module
    Bigger battery or Z3 equivalent
    Sony should really UP its game or else the future for such a great phone maufacturer doesn’t look bright. Increasing the cost of phones isn’t going to take them anywhere. Premium electronics or not, they have to have good marketing and comparison videos to build interest. Sponsor movies etc

  • May Czos

    Shame on you Sony. Z3+ again… Why 810? Even 620 seems to be much better choice.

  • Amir

    Xperiablog, where is the new z ultra E6833?

  • ch3mn3y

    It can be the one One Plus Two will probably have (called v2 or something like this). It shouldn’t overheat (as much). At least it’s what they say…

  • Groub

    RIP Sony

  • Ulysses Grant

    This is why Sony is falling apart.. just ignoring the root of the problem.

  • Sadman Khan

    This is ridiculous and sad.

  • Sandro

    Last that I heard, this v2 is just a marketing thing, same chipset with updated firmware, but it didn’t fix the problem, just slows down the phone to keep everything a little less hotter than hell…

  • Todimu

    Lol. Same here. Had to dump my 18 month old Z1 for a Z3 a month ago.. Cos it had a bump, battery life was a disaster and overheating was krazy. I couldn’t use the phone for 10 mins without feeling uneasy cos of the heat it dissipated.

    Really think a design overhaul would do Sony a WHOLE lot of good. They need to spice things up…Else they’d lose their fans..

  • PoweredBySony

    Oh ..They Never Learn. Sony is just like a 5 year old kid.

  • Lunkz

    yeah with a big ass heatpipe…

  • Ravi

    Bad news, Sony you need to change your design and specs. Why are dealing with same design since Sony Z. We are looking for some designing change and main specs change. You got problems with 810 on Z3+, do you want to have it again ? What about 820 ?

    You need improvements on Camera and it is better if you can think more about heating problems with high end processors. YOU NEED TO CHANGE.

  • jokensy

    Ok, gonna wait until next year to upgrade from my Z2…

  • DBS

    1 – The battery life on the LG G4 is far better than the S6. And it’s poorer battery compared with the Z3 comes from the useless 2K 5.5″ display, more than from the chipset.
    2 – Samsung will sell the Exynos chipset to whomever wants to pay for it. Don’t fool yourself, Samsung is not stupid to hold back on making money. It’s more expensive than the Snapdragons? Yes, it is. That’s why they’ve always used SDs instead of their own chips. But when the SD in question causes them more potential losses than a more expensive chipset, they rather play safe.
    3 – You HAVEN’T seen the OnePlus Two. All you know is the hogwash they put on their propaganda. And given the OnePlus One, I’m inclined to not believe a single word out of OnePlus. First let them release the phone, then we’ll see. Sony also said there wasn’t going to be a problem with the SD810 in the Z3+ and yet, here we are.
    4 – Fingerprint scanners ARE a gimmick. How often do you leave your phone around in places where people are going to take it from you? What sort of people are you dealing with that have no respect for your property and privacy and take your phone to see what’s in it?
    Kill switches are a far better solution to stolen phones. Those are the ones that should be standard. Your phone gets stolen, you remotely kill it, problem solved. A fingerprint scanner is just a gimmick that Apple came up with to justify their unjustifiable prices and that Samsung, as usual, copied. And now suddenly it’s “essential”. Spare me…

  • ryq24

    It’s also waterproof so that means you can boil water with this phone.

  • Wolf0491

    You must mean z3+ right??? My z3 doesn’t get hot really and i play games all day

  • nick

    That’s the case and those idiot designer still going making device thin in expense of battery capacity.
    I mean are u f****** blind or trying to compete with oppo n other stupid brand to make thinnest phone you moron?
    Make a better device with thickness as z2 we are fine with that and try not screwing up this time!!!

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  • Vuyo Ncube

    My old grey Z1 remains unimpressed. Leave the crippled SD810 to die, Sony. Please. Just wait for the SD820 or use the SD805 in a Z4 Compact to undercut the upcoming iPhone. Have you guys not learned ANYTHING?!

  • Arda Akca

    Why no site say anything about Z5 Ultra?

  • Shubham Mutreja

    will it be ok if they disabled the 32 bit cores(two of em) to prevent overheating??

  • David Wasp

    I believe that would be Benjamin Franklin – Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. ;) Cheers!

  • Saifuddin Adnan

    Calm down folks! Sony is not that stupid to use sd810 again… It might be some different device but not z5… By the time z5 will come out sd820 will be almost ready for mass production… So don’t take this rumour seriously

  • ew

  • 1 – HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Is this “far better”?
    http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g4-battery-life/
    http://blog.gsmarena.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-galaxy-s6-edge-battery-life-tests/

    Where are YOUR links?
    2 – If we apply the logic from your no.3, then how do you know that?
    4 – Opinions opinions opinions. I want facts. And the fact is that unlocking with your fingerprint is way faster than typing in a password, a PIN, or a pattern. If you think I’m wrong, you’ll need to prove me. All you’ve proven so far is that you think a bit too highly of your own opinions.

  • Jan Palm

    Then i stay with my Z3C.

  • May Czos

    Z3+ already has SD810 v2.1.

  • May Czos

    They won’t improve battery life by using the same power hungry processor. Thay could’ve used new Snapdragon 620, lower number but excellent performance (better than both SD808 and 810).

  • Lena

    I turn toHonor 7 while waiting for Z6..

  • May Czos

    G4 has the same battery life as S6. Samsung won’t sell their top SoC to one of their competitors. Plus they simply can’t keep up with the production for their own devices.

  • May Czos

    It’s not perfect. There’s a very noticeable difference between 4.6″ 720p display and 4.7″ 1080p display.

  • May Czos

    IPS Neo giver good contrast as well.

  • Omarion07

    I don’t think this article is accurate to say the least.. It makes absolute no sense for Sony to release the Z3+ in June and then release a successor (Z5) in September with the exact same specs and design! Unless of course Sony mobile went insane and wanted to keep on loosing money!

  • Link please.

  • Eugénio Costa

    There are other companies out there capable of providing good chipsets… Just take a look at Intel, for instance

  • kido

    OMG!

  • George

    what wtf really why sony? i hope this is joke or at least i hope this devices are not flagship ones

  • DBS

    1 – Google.com
    There’s your link. Just go see the reviews of both phones. Reviews based on real life usage, not Gsmarena ones based on apps. And if you can, as I fortunately could, test both phones for yourself.
    2 – Yet, you can base your assumptions on existing models. I can assume that the OnePlus Two we’ll not perform well with the SD810 because I have seen the chipset being horrible on every single phone already out with it. It’s an assumption based on facts. You on the other hand CAN’T assume it will perform well based on any evidence other than propaganda.
    3 – prove those “facts”. Because nowhere have I ever seen proof that fingerprint gimmicks are faster or safer than passwords. And once again, it’s not an essential feature at all. Is that my opinion? Yes. Do I think my opinion is better than yours? Absolutely. Because unlike you I based mine on experience.

  • 1 – So now voice calling, video playback, and web browsing isn’t real life usage because those are apps? What IS usage then? Scrolling around in the app drawer?
    3 – Is logic not your cup of tea? A fingerprint scanner can unlock your phone in just one simple step: You put the finger on it and in 1 second maximum, your phone is unlocked, and no one who sees you will be able to use the fact he saw you unlocking the phone against you. Good luck proving how you can do that with a password or PIN. And what makes you “assume” that I haven’t had experience with fingerprint scanners? Is that “assumption” of yours based on “experience” too?

  • May Czos

    It is quite a bit faster than 810 (single/multicore: 1500/4900 vs. 1150/3700 in the Z3+) and even matches Exynos 7420 in single core score.
    https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2915401
    https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/2915403

  • Really? Guess I was looking at the wrong article then. Well I hope that chip gets at least some use before the 820 comes around…

  • Aiden Pearce

    Never learn and be as stubborn as you can well done Sony!!!

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  • Alex Norris

    Right! It`s SHAME!
    Like i talked a month ago, that the future Xperia Z5 will be on shitty Snapdragon 810, but people did not believe me, and they assured me that he will be on snapdragon 820!

    I have a question for Sony: Why not Mediatek Helio X20??? I don`t understand, why Sonymobile always want find problems….?

    It’s Sony Strategy.?!

  • Ryan Kumar-jassi

    Its too soon for z5 sony should release it next year with snapdragon 820

  • jokensy

    HA! HA! HA! Nice one.

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  • azzido

    Oh no, avoided Z3+ and now need to avoid Z5…
    sorry but no, where is 2K screen, new design, new curved camera and Snap 820?

    I think many people skipped Z3+ because of 810 and as many will skip Z5 for the same reason. Seems they did not do their lesson…

  • azzido

    Yes, but it will be again 1mm thinner!
    That’s what everyone is waiting for!

    Who cares about display, design, camera, battery, UI?

    Everyone cares about this 1mm!
    Epic fail Sony… Sorry, not this time, you will need to sell mobile division and are doing everything to achieve it.

  • azzido

    Also Sony, what you started to do after Z2,
    remember to decreasy the battery size = 100% success

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  • May Czos

    I hope so too. Actually, Snapdragon 600 is the top line of processors for smartphones, SD800 series was meant for tablets or other bigger devices they’s why they’re producing more heat.

  • I agree that they should have continued the 600 line as the flagship line – but instead they went from 600 to 800, don’t know why. I’m not sure that 800 was meant as a tablet line though, as GPU matters very much in a tablet, and 801 and 805 didn’t really shine in that regard. “Other bigger devices” – like the Z Ultra? Could be.

  • They could disable two A57 cores and downclock the remaining two to 1.7GHz essentially making it a Snapdragon 808 with a far more powerful GPU and DDR4 RAM support. It sounds clever on paper, the only question is whether it would pay off financially.

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  • Melfes Wired

    good news, the new version of S810 has solved the overheating problem totally, at least i was told so

  • Sola Hoi

    If it’s true, then my next phone won’t be a Sony. This is no longer the Sony that I used to love…

  • Joe Black

    Which version, v2.1? If so, just LOL.

  • ShinOrochiX

    Yep, you’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head.

  • apolloa

    Well, that’s one of my phone off my list. I won’t touch it with that 810, plus if they keep the Compacts screen at 720P then that’s a put off.
    The only device the 810 works in is a tablet cause of all that extra space for heatsinks.
    My list is now down to the Note 5, Nexus 5 2015 or iPhone 6S possibly. But I won’t touch a phone with that 810 SOC in it.

  • Abhinav Tella

    I was hoping for the SD820 but we should have known, as that won’t be available in large quantities till probably the beginning of next year.

  • Abhinav Tella

    An HTC rep (Jeff Gordon), cleared that up on twitter when he said practically every 810 device out right now has the revised chip including the M9. He mentioned that because some of the smaller manufacturers are advertising as if they are the only ones using the revised chip.

  • Abhinav Tella

    Better believe it, if its a September release like the Z3 was ,the SD820 would not be available in large scale….. I too overlooked that and was hoping different lol.

  • Abhinav Tella

    Hopefully they balanced the max and nominal clock speeds, so that it does not end up being like a portable convection stove.

  • Abhinav Tella

    Agree but, at present not many people do that and its more like accesory feature, so till then screen resolution needs to be left at 1080P till we can get better battery life from newer gen screens. Right now its like driving around in a gas gussling Hummer, not very economical.

  • Abhinav Tella

    Depends on screen size, on a ~5″ you start to notice pixels, for ~4″ screen 720P should be fine though it also differs person to person as a small minority do have very acute vision.

  • steary_eye

    Definitely faster, easier and better than patterns. I’m not exactly sure how Sense ID works but I am hoping it will bring iPhone’s implementation to shame.

  • DocSaq

    It will be a suicide from marketing point of view.. same design, same camera, same display and still the same processor. Its better not to release any new flagship for now, rather than inching more towards bankruptcy..I am not a marketing guy and I know for sure that this device will be a super flop.. doesn’t the marketing team of SONY know it ? amazing !

    Like the marketing team of HTC didn’t know how not to repeat same mistake over and over again. ‘

    Samsung has been doing a better job sensing what went wrong almost timely.

  • Abdul Ghani

    its some retarded people dont believe in mediatek they think its from china it wont work LMAO. i love the x20 its snapdragon 810 killer with super fast cpu+gpu performance but that chip is also available in december so sony cant put in h2 flagships maybe ?

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  • Abdul Ghani

    i have to agree with u all samsung phone features are almost gimmick samsung released the worst phone in their history and people either they are blind or so retarded that they think its their some kind of god

    i still dont see why it got 9+ reviews the phone is shit
    i mean look at this detailed testing of the device
    http://news.softpedia.com/news/how-android-5-1-1-ruined-samsung-galaxy-s6-s-sheer-perfection-486645.shtml

    finger print is a joke worst security ever i used my friends s6 and unlocked when he was sleeping hahahha LMAO

  • ZXcorr

    omg am I finally getting an iPhone?

  • Amel_Marie

    Look on the bright side, maybe Sony used the updated and heat-fixed snapdragon 810 just like what one plus two did. I heard Qualcomm had a new version of its processor that fixed the heat issue.

  • May Czos

    By “they” you mean Qualcomm or phone manufacturers? It’s not Qualcomm’s fault that Sony and others are using 800 series processors in their phones. Why? Because people want numbers.

    Actually, 801 and especially 805 had (and still have) one of the best GPUs on the market.

  • May Czos

    X20 doesn’t exist yet! In December SD820 should be available and it’s going to trump any Mediatek.

    Mediatek’s from Taiwan but that’s not the problem. Mediatek doesn’t share with all the data, it’s very difficult to write software for their processors, if you have one you can basically forget about an update to newer Android. And they plan to use very slow GPU in X20!

  • May Czos

    Actually, 1mm is quite a difference.

  • May Czos

    Newer M9’s with revised 810 are scoring much higher results in Antutu (~57k vs 47k with older S810).

  • May Czos

    Or just wait for SD620 which is almost ready.

  • May Czos

    Because today there’s no real alternative?

  • tjtkdtjr

    Nowadays In Japan, the new models are being released in summer and winter every year.
    So the Japanese carriers – mainly Docomo – want to release the brand new models.
    The Z3 in winter last year and then the new one, Z4(Z3+) in summer this year.
    I think that’s why the Z4 came into existence in the world.

  • May Czos

    Intel’s fastest mobile processor is on par with old Snapdragon 800.

  • May Czos

    Z3+ is unavailable in many markets.

  • May Czos

    You’ll se the first effects of new Sony’s policy in 2016. Design cycle is pretty long.

  • May Czos

    SD620 may be ready pretty soon and it seems to be quite a beast.

  • May Czos

    With 4,6″ display the difference is noticeable.

  • May Czos

    All phone are using revised 810 now. Including Z3+.

  • May Czos

    Z3 has smaller battery but runs longer on one charge.

  • May Czos

    Curved sensor is only a project/prototype.

  • May Czos

    I think Honor 7 is too bland and generic (simply ugly), also Kirin 935 has rubbish GPU. 16GB of internal storage is also not much for aa flagship.

  • May Czos

    SD820 won’t be ready before December this year, first devices should roll out in Q1 2016.

  • Alvin

    Hahah DoA

  • May Czos

    Z3+ stays cool while gaming.

  • Amel_Marie

    And it still heats?

  • Alvin

    I’m buying my new phone in 2017.. If they still use 810, i won’t be complaining…

  • May Czos

    Well, not overheating but throttling.

  • May Czos

    Different camera.

  • May Czos

    Yes. Slightly less, but still.

  • Abhinav Tella

    I believe they capped the max frequency to like 1.5-1.6 Ghz and adjusted the nominal clocks. That would lower the heat and allow stable performance levels. Even the Z3+/Z4 is supposedly fine after a similar update.

  • mountain

    I have both Z3+ and Z4 tablet. Despite using the same CPU, Z4 is nothing short of excellent. 2k screen, no overheating, amazing battery (2 days). Just wonder why they did not do that for the z3+?

  • Abhinav Tella

    They need to balance cooling and battery size with thickness. The iPhone can get away with being thin because it has a much smaller (~1/2) battery and a dual core CPU (more practical CPU) so it can also run cooler.

  • mountain

    Thats why they did not call them the z4, because they are marketing z3+ as an addition to z3.

  • Abhinav Tella

    The Z4 tablet has a greater surface area for cooling.

  • Srijan Chawla

    Exactly, if the next flagship is not a game changer, Sony will loose it’s customers & that makes me extremely sad :(

  • Timel

    How do you know that X20 is good, it doesn’t even exist..

  • Timel

    R.I.P Sony Mobile and Xperia

  • Timel

    Because Sony can’t design/produce their own chip like Samsung and Apple have always done.

  • Alex Norris

    Then Sony IMO must release Xperia Z5 in December, because, it`s opponent must be new Galaxy S7 and Iphone 6S, which will have more powerful processors, and if Z5 will be on SD810, then it`s will be another failure like Z3Plus!
    Because Sony, not release their flagships for half a year, Z5 will be the flagship for the whole year and he needs a more better processor, such like SD820 or Helio X20, but not the crappy SD810 from which, only many problems.

  • Alex Norris

    Mediatec today, really good.

  • xperiaDROID

    Another nail to the coffin of Sony’s mobile division. Did Sony sign any contract with Qualcomm? Why keep using the faulty chipset?

    No matter how good your phone is, I’ll have to skip everything that has Snapdragon 810.

  • Abdul Ghani

    i have used htc e9+ it has smooth performance what i throw at it and x20 will have the mali – t880gpu its slow at all and sony already released c4 and more 2 mediatek phones are on the way from them so writing software should not be a problem for sony

  • Lena

    It comes with 64GB.

  • Nice language, did your parents teach you that? I don’t like the Galaxy S6 at all, but the objective advantages it has are clear. Now, if you actually knew what that means…

  • Le Kawaii Potatoe

    Qualcomm should have never released the Snapdragon 810.

  • Stanley08

    Let the heat….. CONTINUE! :)

  • TachiKomaBlue

    Does Sony even reads any of the comment we post on this website?? Sony if you are reading this then you guys need to get your head out of your ass and start listening to what people have to say on this blog!!!! Sony is not gonna survive if you keep introducing same product over and over again!! Sony, you are starting to piss off ALL of your remaining fans!!

  • sentech

    oh, cmon… 820 has the same heat issue… what’s the difference? u need 820 to be more throttled?… seems like qualcomm stucks…

  • sentech

    820 has the same heat issue…

  • sentech

    820 has the same heat issue..

  • Alvin

    umm.. their processors are superb, i think it’s better than qualcomm’s or samsung’s, but their graphics sucks

  • Alvin

    yep. better get z3 like me AND EVERYONE ELSE

  • How do you know? It’s not even released yet.

  • marcyff2

    Like Apple :/ you do know the A chips are samsung made right?

  • Doubleyoupee

    GG

  • Sebastian Furnigel

    Pics of the Z5 leaked. Also the brand new ad campaign! :)))
    Compact version is for hiking lovers – they need a state of the art frying pan when hiking cold mountains.

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  • hmmm

    just pot a new and better camera and I’ll buy that phone…don’t care if it will be snapdragon 810 or 850…I don’t belive it’s heating so bad in usual tasks…calls,messaging,browsing internet,taking pictures!

  • Timel

    Yep I do…

    Apple’ve always designed Apple A chips themselves and then send the blueprints of Apple A chips to Samsung Semiconductors to produce

    Apple have designed A chips themselves.
    Samsung have designed and produced Exynos chips themselves.

    While Sony… can do nothing, Sony don’t have the ability to do anything Lol

  • Alvin

    that is not a very nice thing to tell to people but i laughed at it.

  • marcyff2

    maybe sony doesn’t want to do it…. if you think it through sony has 80 to 90 % of smartphone cameras, and a good portion of the speaker sets. They focus on different parts of the market from the likes of samsung and apple. And even samsung owning Exynos chips. If you look at their history they prefer to buy the processors of the likes of qualcomn. As they de-risk their products.

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  • Mike M

    Sadly Snap 810. Will be much better 805 (or even 801). Stable prefomance, that is enough for all situations.

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  • Shubham Mutreja

    sounds cool but cant they make all 64 bit version by removing 32 bit chips??

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  • Mario Junior

    “Housefire 810”

    And here we go again…

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  • Brick

    There are a ton of phones with that chipset, do they all overheat?

  • Charles chan

    I want to thank sony saving my money, Thank so much

  • Abhinav Tella

    The 805 is actually pretty good and so is its GPU. Only reason they probably avoided it is the missing “64 Bit” support. Not good for marketing, but then again so is getting a reputation for a portable stove.

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  • Todimu

    Dumped Z1 cos of the heat; presently use a Z3

  • ch3mn3y

    Now I know. Friend mentioned it, but I’ve newer found any info about it till that.

  • May Czos

    64GB version is pretty expensive.

  • May Czos

    E9+ ha rubbish Helio X10, M9+ also have one and it’s far from good. Mali-T880 can be slow, it depends on the number of cores. Mediatek uses 4 core version, Samsung is going to use 8 core version. ony uses Mediatek processors because they’re cheap. They’ll write the software once but C4 owners can forget about Android M – they’re not going to get one just as E4 and E4g won’t get the Lollipop.

  • May Czos

    It just makes even less sense because SD620 may have lower number but it’s much more powerful than SD810. It would make much bigger difference.

  • May Czos

    iPhone has two massive cores, overall size is pretty big. Samsung S6 is significantly smaller than Z3, has powerful internals and glass on both sides. And it’s thin.

  • May Czos

    Yes, that reduces Antutu results down to 47000 points. But with revised 810 they went up to 57000 so it doesn’t need so much throttling..

  • aiamkesz

    In summer my every smartphone overheating including Galaxy S.

  • Abhinav Tella

    I am a firm Android user (Xperia Z3) but the iPhone 6 runs pretty cool compared to the S6. The battery is one if the biggest space occupiers though which is much smaller in the iPhone allowing it’s thinness without compromising cooling. Also those dual cores are more practically clocked. I prefer bigger battery and thicker phone though as my Z3 easily has greater screen time than the I6 and can last 2-2.5 days on a single charge.

  • Abhinav Tella

    But last I read, almost everybody is already using the revised unit, there is no new one after that, at least according to HTC’s Jeff Gordon. I think they just optimized frequency with a firmware update is all. Some manufacturers claimed they had a special revision which was more of a marketing gimmick by some companies.

    If what you say is true please link me to an article, I could be wrong.

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  • Timel

    In android world the fingerprint scanner may be a gimmick but exactly not in Apple world .

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  • Abdul Ghani

    u talk like u designed the mediatek chips e9+ and m9+ both are getting android m because mediatek provided with the drivers for android m and e4 e4g dont use mediatek new gen chip,well anyway explaining u is kinda rubbish because ur the chip designer maker engineer

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  • Naail Zahid

    I have an e9+ along with an xperia z3 dual. I assure you my e9+ does not suck, nor does it ever get hot like the z3, and I have played every single game on it with no frame drops or anything. You can’t claim anything unless you own one, so stop spreading bs about mediatek when you have never used a phone with that processor. Htc has already confirmed the e9+ and m9+ will get android m and updates just like the m9, so again stop spreading bs.

  • Naail Zahid

    I think it’s best not to feed the trolls, especially the butthurt kinds who live in their parents basements…

  • May Czos

    Maybe you’re lucky but professional reviewers (which are more reliable source of informations) didn’t like it much:

    “The dip in performance is far more noticeable when it comes to gaming
    though, which really raises questions with regards to HTC’s decision to
    go with a MediaTek processor. Graphic-intensive games like Modern Combat 5 can run smoothly at times, but there is too much action on the
    screen, the frame rate drops significantly, resulting in very choppy
    gameplay. Games like Mortal Kombat X are a little too much for the One
    M9+ to handle, and even simpler games like Clash of Clans fail to run at
    a consistent frame. This could be due to a lack of optimization for the
    MediaTek processor, but is still a huge letdown for anyone that enjoys
    gaming on their phone.”

    Thay are also mentioning slightly laggy multitasking:

    “While switching back and forth between applications can be smooth and
    snappy sometimes, there are instances where there is a lot of stutter in
    the animations, and significant delays in the load times between apps.”

    Also many phones with Mediatek processors have one common thing – occasional delay between touch and reaction and noone got rid of it for good, even HTC which is known for good optimization.

  • May Czos

    E4g uses new 64-bit Mediatek MT6732 SoC. That’s a fact – Mediatek based smartphones basically never get major updates (only smaller patches for current system), there also no ROMs available for those devices.

  • Abdul Ghani

    There is no such thing as luck all ur comments proofs that u have some kind of hate to mediatek, btw I have used mediatek devices modern combat 5 and asphalt 8 runs smoothly don’t bother next time without using a device please

  • May Czos

    There are some other differences, not just new firmware:

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/9388/comparing-snapdragon-810-v2-and-v21

    In the HTC M9 it worked:

    “In the AnTuTu benchmarks, the HTC One M9 initially scored an
    anomalous 44385 – lower than the HTC One M8. Resisting the urge to
    immediately report this shocking score to the world, I tested the One M9
    specs several more times, when it scored between 53,000 and 54,000
    points, placing it above the Galaxy Note 4. I attributed the initial
    score to the fact that the phone was going through its first-time setup
    process when I did the test.

    But the clinical numbers of AnTuTu
    don’t tell the full story. More importantly, the One M9 is capable of
    tons of multitasking. You can leave at least 20 internet tabs open
    without slowdown and have several games running in the background
    without any noticeable slowdown. We’re also happy to report that we
    didn’t experience any overheating issues with the Snapdragon 810 in the
    few months that we’ve had the One M9.”
    https://www.androidpit.com/htc-one-m9-review

    Another confirmation that M9 with SD80 doesn’t overheat:

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61921778&postcount=77

    More – combined with the latest updates, Antutu scores are much higher as reported by actual users:

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/htc-one-m9-benchmarks-t3082740/page7

    People are consistently getting between 56000 and 6500 points. That’s S6 territory!

    One more thing – after the recent updates image quality is also very good:

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61891627&postcount=76

    http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/htc-flagship-2015-htc-one-m9-snapdragon-t3078486/page5

    And people are consistently getting 6 hours of screen-on-time on one charge.

  • Lau6304 .

    This blog is independent from Sony. They won’t hear your screams. If you want to complain contact them directly.

  • Abdul Ghani

    u think now days reviewers are pro lol best joke ever for them every other phone are shit only samsung and iphone are gods instant 9+ for them but rest itll have few cons but itll get 7+ ratings

  • May Czos

    I will bother because yuou’re not representative.

  • Abdul Ghani

    what if htc e9+ and m9+ gets android BTW htc did announced it will get the MAJOR UPDATE,will u jump from window and die

  • Abhinav Tella

    I read the Anandtech article before.

    However HTC itself says they have already/always have been using it along with everyone else on the market…. Any changes you experience are a result of firmware updates capping the max speed and and tweaking to nominal frequency which means it gets higher bench scores because it can run at a stable frequency rather than suddenly throttling to rock bottom.

    http://www.droid-life.com/2015/07/15/hype-kill-all-snapdragon-810-phones-are-already-using-v2-1-says-htc/

  • May Czos

    Thing is – benchmarks are too short to induce thermal throttling. That’s why reducing clocks from the start reduces benchmark scores. That’s why M9 with older SD810 after the update was scoring around 47000 in the Antutu. Newer M9’s from the start are scoring 10000 more which means that with SD810 v2.1 you don’t have to reduce clocks as much as before. And it still doesn’t overheat.

    Unfortunately most journalists have older M9 with older S810 so just an update doesn’t change much. 6 hours of screen-on-time (some people get even 7 hours) is an excellent result, M9 with older SD810 was barely making it to 4 hours so there is significant update. Warm M9 may feel less comfortable because it’s made of metal and heats up evenly – warm metal isn’t very comfortable and that also applies to M8 or M7. M9 runs pretty cool right now while being much faster than M8.

  • May Czos

    Nope, I will be greatly suprised. As for now HTC confirmed Android M just for the M9.

  • Abdul Ghani

    u are a nutcase read again m9+ is also mentioned by htc

  • Abdul Ghani
  • Abhinav Tella

    Problem with your assumption is Qualcomm clearly stated through HTC that there is only one revision being sold. Unless Qualcomm itself is mistaken I highly doubt that Anand tech article.

  • May Czos

    Everyone has the same revision but first benchmarks were done with older revision, latest ones (from around June) with v2.1 and there’s noticeable difference.

  • Abhinav Tella

    I hope you mean Engineering samples / early test devices, in which case it could be true.

    Great discussion so far though :-).

  • May Czos

    First LG G Flexes had pre-release samples, M9 had mass production units (810 v2.0) from the beginning. Now it has 810 v2.1 with improved memory bandwidth and some other tweaks and the difference is noticeable. It’s still warm but not as compromised as before.

  • Abhinav Tella

    See that’s odd because someone on that same twitter feed said they had an early M9 and asked what to do. HTC said to him there is only one version (2.1) of the S810, and they have been using from the beginning…..

  • May Czos

    I don’t think so, it was too early. Some history from Android Authority:

    “Now, a little history about the chip. The Snapdragon 810 v1 was the
    engineering sample that showed up sometime in September 2014. This was
    when the first rumors about the overheating issue began, but as a
    non-final product the speculation didn’t really carry much weight.

    It was the v2 chip that shipped in the first Snapdragon 810 devices,
    including the LG G Flex 2 and HTC One M9. These have shown some signs of
    performance throttling in order to avoid overheating, but performance
    updates have been issued which suposidly address any problems. The new
    v2.1 chip has recently appeared in the Xiaomi Mi Note Pro and the Sony
    Xperia Z4 (Z3+).”

    Mi Note Pro, Z3+ were mentioned first because thay’re using v2.1 from the beginning. M9 and others were updated at about the same time.

  • Abhinav Tella

    Interesting, different sources seem to conflict with each other including HTC/Qualcomm. Whatever the case the damage has been done for many companies especially HTC/Sony.

    I’m glad Qualcomm abandoned the big.LITTLE concept with the SD820.

  • iosvsios

    I don’t care if it’s SD810 or anything else. I’ll judge the phone based on how the battery and real-life performance goes, and camera..

    I’m not getting a Z4 because its battery life is rated by the carrier at about half of the ZL2, and I don’t want a downgrade. This may or may not be because of the SD810 or the internal design or thinnes,, who knows, I just want better battery at this point.

  • Haymkarran S Bhalla

    Eagerly waiting for the Z5 Compact. Possible specs – 2900mAh battery, 2.5GB RAM, same compact screen but with brighter 326ppi, 32GB storage+microsd expansion, sealed & exposed micro usb connection, metal sides with metal flaps.

  • May Czos

    M9+ with Mediatek trashed by LG G4 and iP6 in speed and multitasking test:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlTbfN5sIdI

    For comparison M9 with Snapdragon is on par with iP6 – slightly lower than iP6 in app opening, much better in multitasking:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUw9PUlFUF0

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  • HAWX

    It isn’t that shit when that shit is in tablet ;)

  • HAWX

    But iPhone outruns the games and stays cooler. Direct comparison is not right with Apple.

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  • May Czos

    Doesn’t really outrun and I agree – comparison isn’t really fair, iP6 has low resolution display so it’s easier for GPU.

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  • Melfes Wired

    the new one will be the latest one, maybe the name will be changed, like 800 to 801

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